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		<title>By: Susan Stehling</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55178</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Stehling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;music from the internet&lt;/strong&gt;

DWI Insanity
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		<title>By: Live Sensibly</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55177</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Sensibly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Joe Six Pack in the News&lt;/strong&gt;

Keith Emerich has bounced in and out of the news in recent weeks.  His physician contacted the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation to identify Emerich as having a condition that could impair his ability to drive safely.  The condition which PA do...</description>
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<p>Keith Emerich has bounced in and out of the news in recent weeks.  His physician contacted the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation to identify Emerich as having a condition that could impair his ability to drive safely.  The condition which PA do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Live Sensibly</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55176</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Sensibly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Joe Six Pack in the News Again&lt;/strong&gt;

Keith Emerich has bounced in and out of the news in recent weeks. His physician contacted the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT) to identify Emerich as having a condition that could impair his ability to drive safely. Radley Balko has...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Joe Six Pack in the News Again</strong></p>
<p>Keith Emerich has bounced in and out of the news in recent weeks. His physician contacted the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT) to identify Emerich as having a condition that could impair his ability to drive safely. Radley Balko has&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dad</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55172</link>
		<dc:creator>dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>need to weigh in here.

I have a problem with snoring--my ENT doc sent me to a clinic, where I was wired for the night, and then awakened early--kept awake for 1 hour, and then told to go to sleep, after 10 min I was awakened, kept awake for an hour and then told to go to sleep.  This was repeated for several cycles.

The Doc at the clinic, wanted my wife to pick me up, and didn&#039;t want me to drive because I could went to sleep when they told me too.

My ENT doc destroyed the records and never sent another patient to that clinic.

For truck divers, I fully support the limits on the number of consectutive hours of driving.  Waiting for a load is NOT driving time.  I certainly don&#039;t want a 30 ton truck heading towards me at a stop and go incident on the feeway, with the driver having been at the wheel for 15 hours and having consumed a box of no-doz.  yes my surviors have recourse in the courts, but I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>need to weigh in here.</p>
<p>I have a problem with snoring&#8211;my ENT doc sent me to a clinic, where I was wired for the night, and then awakened early&#8211;kept awake for 1 hour, and then told to go to sleep, after 10 min I was awakened, kept awake for an hour and then told to go to sleep.  This was repeated for several cycles.</p>
<p>The Doc at the clinic, wanted my wife to pick me up, and didn&#8217;t want me to drive because I could went to sleep when they told me too.</p>
<p>My ENT doc destroyed the records and never sent another patient to that clinic.</p>
<p>For truck divers, I fully support the limits on the number of consectutive hours of driving.  Waiting for a load is NOT driving time.  I certainly don&#8217;t want a 30 ton truck heading towards me at a stop and go incident on the feeway, with the driver having been at the wheel for 15 hours and having consumed a box of no-doz.  yes my surviors have recourse in the courts, but I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55171</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really apples and oranges; but it depends on how one views alcoholism.

Some people that suffer from seizures can greatly reduce their risk of having a seizure if they take the appropriate medication.  After drinking a gallon of beer, it is plausible to reason that the individual who did so might have his judgment sufficiently impaired and might decide to drive home or out to get a burger.

I&#039;m not saying that if I were the judge I would have passed down the same sentence, I am saying that, depending on the details and the court&#039;s reasoning, it might not be so black and white as many here are assuming.

Not all measures need to be taken as a result of a crime or a dangerous situation that has occurred.  Not all prevention is a violation of someone&#039;s rights.  Maybe in this case it is, but again, I think we need more information before that is decided.

At a minimum, the state should foot the bill for the ignition interlock until it is settled though.

Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really apples and oranges; but it depends on how one views alcoholism.</p>
<p>Some people that suffer from seizures can greatly reduce their risk of having a seizure if they take the appropriate medication.  After drinking a gallon of beer, it is plausible to reason that the individual who did so might have his judgment sufficiently impaired and might decide to drive home or out to get a burger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that if I were the judge I would have passed down the same sentence, I am saying that, depending on the details and the court&#8217;s reasoning, it might not be so black and white as many here are assuming.</p>
<p>Not all measures need to be taken as a result of a crime or a dangerous situation that has occurred.  Not all prevention is a violation of someone&#8217;s rights.  Maybe in this case it is, but again, I think we need more information before that is decided.</p>
<p>At a minimum, the state should foot the bill for the ignition interlock until it is settled though.</p>
<p>Doug</p>
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		<title>By: The Bitch Girls</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bitch Girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Grrrr...&lt;/strong&gt;

Because of relatively good gun laws, I considered PA to be a free state. Apparently, it&#039;s not at all....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Grrrr&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Because of relatively good gun laws, I considered PA to be a free state. Apparently, it&#8217;s not at all&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TheVin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheVin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many cans of beer can one admitt to before the judge considers you a danger?
2?
3?
4?</description>
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2?<br />
3?<br />
4?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan McElravy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan McElravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What methods exist in PA for getting rogue judges removed form the bench?  Or are you just stuck with them?&lt;/i&gt;

Higher court judges are in for life, unless they are impeached, which is no doubt a chore. Court of Common Pleas judges are elected to ten year terms after which there is a new vote on retaining him/her or not; only if this fails is there a new election for judge, I believe. Retired president judges of the CCP can serve for life after in an auxiliary function: voir-dire, civil cases, etc. So the long and short of it is that, yes, we&#039;re basically stuck with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What methods exist in PA for getting rogue judges removed form the bench?  Or are you just stuck with them?</i></p>
<p>Higher court judges are in for life, unless they are impeached, which is no doubt a chore. Court of Common Pleas judges are elected to ten year terms after which there is a new vote on retaining him/her or not; only if this fails is there a new election for judge, I believe. Retired president judges of the CCP can serve for life after in an auxiliary function: voir-dire, civil cases, etc. So the long and short of it is that, yes, we&#8217;re basically stuck with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ve driven OTR in Pa.  When are they going to take away those morons licenses who play &quot;chicken&quot; with an 80,000lb Semi? Seems that&#039;s alot more hazardous than a 6 pack-a-nite,,,at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve driven OTR in Pa.  When are they going to take away those morons licenses who play &#8220;chicken&#8221; with an 80,000lb Semi? Seems that&#8217;s alot more hazardous than a 6 pack-a-nite,,,at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Scorpio</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55167</link>
		<dc:creator>Scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guarantee that doctor would be sued for enough for a 24/7 chauffeur for life -- breach of confidence of that magnitude should be smacked down hard.

Scorpio
&lt;a href=&quot;http://scorpio.typepad.com/eccentricity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eccentricity&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guarantee that doctor would be sued for enough for a 24/7 chauffeur for life &#8212; breach of confidence of that magnitude should be smacked down hard.</p>
<p>Scorpio<br />
<a href="http://scorpio.typepad.com/eccentricity/" rel="nofollow">Eccentricity</a></p>
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		<title>By: Supergenius</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/08/20/dwi-insanity/comment-page-1/#comment-55166</link>
		<dc:creator>Supergenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the hyperlink:
&quot;In Emerich&#039;s case, a doctor reported his admission to drinking at least six and as many as 12 beers a day. The doctor said Emerich&#039;s drinking caused a condition called atrial fibrillation, a rapid, irregular heartbeat that affects 2 million Americans. Other factors that trigger the common condition are smoking, heart and lung diseases and excessive caffeine use. &quot;

So does this mean that if I drink 10 cups of expresso a day, causing atrial fibrillation, the PennDOT will also take away my license forever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the hyperlink:<br />
&#8220;In Emerich&#8217;s case, a doctor reported his admission to drinking at least six and as many as 12 beers a day. The doctor said Emerich&#8217;s drinking caused a condition called atrial fibrillation, a rapid, irregular heartbeat that affects 2 million Americans. Other factors that trigger the common condition are smoking, heart and lung diseases and excessive caffeine use. &#8221;</p>
<p>So does this mean that if I drink 10 cups of expresso a day, causing atrial fibrillation, the PennDOT will also take away my license forever?</p>
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		<title>By: Outside The Beltway â?¢</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outside The Beltway â?¢</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Beltway Traffic Jam&lt;/strong&gt;

A quickie Friday linkfest: 
Dodd Harris is sensing a pattern with the Democrats.
Donald Sensing wonders about selective amnesia in the press.
Michele Catalano dreams about Alan Keyes.
Wretchard has a handy-dandy list of cities that are &quot;holy&quot; to ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Beltway Traffic Jam</strong></p>
<p>A quickie Friday linkfest:<br />
Dodd Harris is sensing a pattern with the Democrats.<br />
Donald Sensing wonders about selective amnesia in the press.<br />
Michele Catalano dreams about Alan Keyes.<br />
Wretchard has a handy-dandy list of cities that are &#8220;holy&#8221; to &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m movin&#039; to montana.</description>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip -

Who was being &quot;recklessly endangered&quot; by his heavy drinking?

If he was actually driving drunk, then he clearly would be &quot;recklessly endangering&quot; others.  Nobody here would argue that.  Nail the guy.

The point is, he was punished because he &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; recklessly endanger others.  There&#039;s a huge difference between actually and &lt;i&gt;potentially&lt;/i&gt; doing something.  Should I be punished for robbing a convenience store at gunpoint, just because I own a 9mm?

Tonight I think I&#039;ll go home, have a couple of beers, and when I&#039;m really tired and ready to go to sleep, I&#039;ll think about how I am &quot;recklessly endangering&quot; people on the road, despite the fact that my S-10 is in the garage.

You should call the Ohio DOT and warn them.  Guys like me shouldn&#039;t even have a license.  I&#039;m so evil I should probably already be behind bars.

I don&#039;t know, man.  You&#039;ve made plenty of sense here before, but right now you&#039;re just, well, scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip -</p>
<p>Who was being &#8220;recklessly endangered&#8221; by his heavy drinking?</p>
<p>If he was actually driving drunk, then he clearly would be &#8220;recklessly endangering&#8221; others.  Nobody here would argue that.  Nail the guy.</p>
<p>The point is, he was punished because he <i>could</i> recklessly endanger others.  There&#8217;s a huge difference between actually and <i>potentially</i> doing something.  Should I be punished for robbing a convenience store at gunpoint, just because I own a 9mm?</p>
<p>Tonight I think I&#8217;ll go home, have a couple of beers, and when I&#8217;m really tired and ready to go to sleep, I&#8217;ll think about how I am &#8220;recklessly endangering&#8221; people on the road, despite the fact that my S-10 is in the garage.</p>
<p>You should call the Ohio DOT and warn them.  Guys like me shouldn&#8217;t even have a license.  I&#8217;m so evil I should probably already be behind bars.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, man.  You&#8217;ve made plenty of sense here before, but right now you&#8217;re just, well, scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of things: it&#039;s $1100/year, not $1100/month and this character did have a DUI 22 years ago.

Having said that, this case is absurd. Bust him for DUI, if appropriate, but not for drinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things: it&#8217;s $1100/year, not $1100/month and this character did have a DUI 22 years ago.</p>
<p>Having said that, this case is absurd. Bust him for DUI, if appropriate, but not for drinking.</p>
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		<title>By: severin</title>
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		<dc:creator>severin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive while being fat, and I have even endangered other drivers before by eating while I drive. Luckily my doctor has not reported my obesity to the department of transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drive while being fat, and I have even endangered other drivers before by eating while I drive. Luckily my doctor has not reported my obesity to the department of transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doug -

&quot;Most of you are acting as if the guy was pre-emptively punished for a DUI, thus having his driver&#039;s license suspended/revoked.&quot;

We&#039;re not &lt;i&gt;acting&lt;/i&gt; like it - he &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; punished pre-emptively.  How on earth could you see it any other way?  Being an admittedly heavy drinker is not a crime, but driving while drunk is.  The problem is, he was punished for &lt;i&gt;potentially&lt;/i&gt; driving while drunk.

Yes, the decision to steal his license was done with the public&#039;s best interest in mind (at least in the minds of the DOT and judge).  And yes, it&#039;s still bullshit.

Note:  Minority Report was only a movie.  It is not real.  We should stop behaving like it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doug -</p>
<p>&#8220;Most of you are acting as if the guy was pre-emptively punished for a DUI, thus having his driver&#8217;s license suspended/revoked.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not <i>acting</i> like it &#8211; he <i>was</i> punished pre-emptively.  How on earth could you see it any other way?  Being an admittedly heavy drinker is not a crime, but driving while drunk is.  The problem is, he was punished for <i>potentially</i> driving while drunk.</p>
<p>Yes, the decision to steal his license was done with the public&#8217;s best interest in mind (at least in the minds of the DOT and judge).  And yes, it&#8217;s still bullshit.</p>
<p>Note:  Minority Report was only a movie.  It is not real.  We should stop behaving like it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip, if the man was totally sober each and every time he ever got behind the wheel, who did he ever wrecklessly endanger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip, if the man was totally sober each and every time he ever got behind the wheel, who did he ever wrecklessly endanger?</p>
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		<title>By: sds</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip,

I&#039;m still wondering whom he recklessly endangered.  Himself by drinking and now having an irregular heartbeat.

So what.  If he were driving erratically, great, he is recklessly endangering.  I just don&#039;t see that evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still wondering whom he recklessly endangered.  Himself by drinking and now having an irregular heartbeat.</p>
<p>So what.  If he were driving erratically, great, he is recklessly endangering.  I just don&#8217;t see that evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, you are going apples and oranges here man.

A seizure is something the individual cannot control.  Yes, just because he has not had a seizure while driving does not mean that he won&#039;t, so until the condition causing the seizure has been addressed, they are a danger to themselves and others because of the possibility of a seizure.  Similar to narcolepsy.

Drinking is another story.  He can be a raving drunk and still never drink and drive.  Just because he has a drinking problem does not mean he is getting on the road drunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, you are going apples and oranges here man.</p>
<p>A seizure is something the individual cannot control.  Yes, just because he has not had a seizure while driving does not mean that he won&#8217;t, so until the condition causing the seizure has been addressed, they are a danger to themselves and others because of the possibility of a seizure.  Similar to narcolepsy.</p>
<p>Drinking is another story.  He can be a raving drunk and still never drink and drive.  Just because he has a drinking problem does not mean he is getting on the road drunk.</p>
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