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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48619</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the fuck! none of my comments were displayed.</description>
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		<title>By: wow-gold</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48618</link>
		<dc:creator>wow-gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not used to read so long entries, too long to read...</description>
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		<title>By: rocking</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48617</link>
		<dc:creator>rocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cigarette</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48616</link>
		<dc:creator>cigarette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: executives</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48615</link>
		<dc:creator>executives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48614</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are thousands of websites where you can read about calorie-controlled diets. There are thousands of doctors and nutritionists and dieticians who will advise you to reduce calories or fat or carbohydrates or take exercise in order to reduce weight. There are many diets you can try and probably have tried, and yet you are heavier now than before you started dieting. 

Your problem may be sensitivity to salt. Salt can cause obesity and health problems in vulnerable people.

In recent years people have been eating more convenience foods and these are high in salt. Excess salt intake can cause water retention and that means excess weight because water is heavy. By eating less salt(sodium) you can lose some of this excess water and so lose weight. 

Over 90% of people who lose weight by following a 'slimming' diet regain all the weight they have lost - and more! - Yet EVERYONE who reduces their salt intake loses weight.

Forget about counting calories! 

So that's NO DIETING! - NO HUNGER! - NO EXERCISE! - NO COST! - NO DRUGS! - NO ADVERSE SIDE-EFFECTS!

So - NO EXCUSES! -

Lose weight by eating less salt! - Go on! - TRY IT!

For more information and advice on this subject visit www.wildeaboutsteroids.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are thousands of websites where you can read about calorie-controlled diets. There are thousands of doctors and nutritionists and dieticians who will advise you to reduce calories or fat or carbohydrates or take exercise in order to reduce weight. There are many diets you can try and probably have tried, and yet you are heavier now than before you started dieting. </p>
<p>Your problem may be sensitivity to salt. Salt can cause obesity and health problems in vulnerable people.</p>
<p>In recent years people have been eating more convenience foods and these are high in salt. Excess salt intake can cause water retention and that means excess weight because water is heavy. By eating less salt(sodium) you can lose some of this excess water and so lose weight. </p>
<p>Over 90% of people who lose weight by following a &#8217;slimming&#8217; diet regain all the weight they have lost - and more! - Yet EVERYONE who reduces their salt intake loses weight.</p>
<p>Forget about counting calories! </p>
<p>So that&#8217;s NO DIETING! - NO HUNGER! - NO EXERCISE! - NO COST! - NO DRUGS! - NO ADVERSE SIDE-EFFECTS!</p>
<p>So - NO EXCUSES! -</p>
<p>Lose weight by eating less salt! - Go on! - TRY IT!</p>
<p>For more information and advice on this subject visit <a href="http://www.wildeaboutsteroids.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.wildeaboutsteroids.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Williams -- Master of None</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48633</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Williams -- Master of None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Disabled By Fat 2&lt;/strong&gt;

Via Nathan at Brain Fertilizer I see that Dean Esmay has a post up about weight loss and chronic obesity. It's hard to excerpt Mr. Esmay's post because he uses a lot of "this"es, but he points to some recent...
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<p>Via Nathan at Brain Fertilizer I see that Dean Esmay has a post up about weight loss and chronic obesity. It&#8217;s hard to excerpt Mr. Esmay&#8217;s post because he uses a lot of &#8220;this&#8221;es, but he points to some recent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Williams -- Master of None</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48632</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Williams -- Master of None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Disabled By Fat 2&lt;/strong&gt;

Via Nathan at Brain Fertilizer I see that Dean Esmay has a post up about weight loss and chronic obesity. It's hard to excerpt Mr. Esmay's point because he uses a lot of "this"es, but he points to some recent...</description>
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<p>Via Nathan at Brain Fertilizer I see that Dean Esmay has a post up about weight loss and chronic obesity. It&#8217;s hard to excerpt Mr. Esmay&#8217;s point because he uses a lot of &#8220;this&#8221;es, but he points to some recent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48613</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;A business must stay profitable to remain in business. Growth is one of many factors necessary to achieve profitability, but it is not necessary to sustain it.&lt;/em&gt;

Wrong. The original authors were right, as much as you'd like to have them misunderstand capitalism. If a business isn't going to grow, the present value of their future profits will eventually become zero and they will find it difficult to acquire capital. And yes, that's one of the things that they teach MBA's. (Though you don't have to be an MBA to get it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A business must stay profitable to remain in business. Growth is one of many factors necessary to achieve profitability, but it is not necessary to sustain it.</em></p>
<p>Wrong. The original authors were right, as much as you&#8217;d like to have them misunderstand capitalism. If a business isn&#8217;t going to grow, the present value of their future profits will eventually become zero and they will find it difficult to acquire capital. And yes, that&#8217;s one of the things that they teach MBA&#8217;s. (Though you don&#8217;t have to be an MBA to get it.)</p>
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		<title>By: A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48631</link>
		<dc:creator>A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;OBESITY AND YOU&lt;/strong&gt;

Apparently one of Dr. Parker's favorite tourist spots has played host to a nanny-state conference on obesity the past few days. Radley Balko has been covering it in TechCentralStation posts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>OBESITY AND YOU</strong></p>
<p>Apparently one of Dr. Parker&#8217;s favorite tourist spots has played host to a nanny-state conference on obesity the past few days. Radley Balko has been covering it in TechCentralStation posts</p>
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		<title>By: David Nieporent</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48612</link>
		<dc:creator>David Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point: we talk about "personal responsbility," and I agree with it as far as it goes, but that plays into Brownell/Nestle's hands, allowing them to ask questions like "Is irresponsibility an epidemic around the world?"  

Yes, of course it is, but that's not the point.  It is not "irresponsible" to be overweight.  There's nothing wrong with being overweight. It may be aesthetically unpleasing (it is to me, and I resemble that remark), and it may shorten one's lifespan below a theoretical maximum.  So freaking what?  Don't let the safety/health fascists redefine "responsibility" to mean that one has to prioritize longevity over all other goods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point: we talk about &#8220;personal responsbility,&#8221; and I agree with it as far as it goes, but that plays into Brownell/Nestle&#8217;s hands, allowing them to ask questions like &#8220;Is irresponsibility an epidemic around the world?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Yes, of course it is, but that&#8217;s not the point.  It is not &#8220;irresponsible&#8221; to be overweight.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with being overweight. It may be aesthetically unpleasing (it is to me, and I resemble that remark), and it may shorten one&#8217;s lifespan below a theoretical maximum.  So freaking what?  Don&#8217;t let the safety/health fascists redefine &#8220;responsibility&#8221; to mean that one has to prioritize longevity over all other goods.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48630</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Longevity &#038; Obesity News&lt;/strong&gt;

It has long been known that starvation-level diets--the kind that leave subjects unnaturally thin and weak--tend to increase lifespan. No one's ever been sure why...</description>
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<p>It has long been known that starvation-level diets&#8211;the kind that leave subjects unnaturally thin and weak&#8211;tend to increase lifespan. No one&#8217;s ever been sure why&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48611</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. T: Thanks for correcting my math; the numbers looked funny to me, but in my haste I didn't take the time to check them. Thanks again.

My point was that thermodynamics trumps genetics &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; physiology - every time. No exceptions.

Specifically, someone who is at steady state now - i.e., neither gaining nor losing weight - CAN lose weight by a surprisingly small decrease in caloric intake (or increase in activity, at constant diet). Given those premises - sub-steady state food intake, and constant level of activity - it's not &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; to avoid losing weight, as a matter of thermodynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. T: Thanks for correcting my math; the numbers looked funny to me, but in my haste I didn&#8217;t take the time to check them. Thanks again.</p>
<p>My point was that thermodynamics trumps genetics <i>and</i> physiology - every time. No exceptions.</p>
<p>Specifically, someone who is at steady state now - i.e., neither gaining nor losing weight - CAN lose weight by a surprisingly small decrease in caloric intake (or increase in activity, at constant diet). Given those premises - sub-steady state food intake, and constant level of activity - it&#8217;s not <i>possible</i> to avoid losing weight, as a matter of thermodynamics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find both Radley and the food police's take on obesity incredibly ill-informed. You are merely perpetuating stereotypes of obesity and the discriminatory false science that obesity is due to overeating and lack of exercise, while ignoring the multiple factors that are actually responsible. In fact, when one examines the many hundreds of the soundest clinical studies there are no differences in the range of  patterns, foods or amounts that fat and thin people eat or in their activity levels. You mistake the fact that some people can grow a bit more over weight than their genetic proclivity by eating to excess and sedentary lifestyles -- but that has nothing to do with obesity. And, you ignore the solid evidence that when studies are examined closely for confounding factors, overweight itself has nothing to do with health and cannot be used as a measure of one's health-enhancing lifestyle practices.

It is nothing more than bigotry and foolishness to think you can determine if someone is taking "personal responsibility" by what they look like. It's amazing any sensible person would think they can tell by a number on a chart if people smoke, eat right and exercise. Perhaps you propose to verify that by Big Brother intrusions into our homes, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find both Radley and the food police&#8217;s take on obesity incredibly ill-informed. You are merely perpetuating stereotypes of obesity and the discriminatory false science that obesity is due to overeating and lack of exercise, while ignoring the multiple factors that are actually responsible. In fact, when one examines the many hundreds of the soundest clinical studies there are no differences in the range of  patterns, foods or amounts that fat and thin people eat or in their activity levels. You mistake the fact that some people can grow a bit more over weight than their genetic proclivity by eating to excess and sedentary lifestyles &#8212; but that has nothing to do with obesity. And, you ignore the solid evidence that when studies are examined closely for confounding factors, overweight itself has nothing to do with health and cannot be used as a measure of one&#8217;s health-enhancing lifestyle practices.</p>
<p>It is nothing more than bigotry and foolishness to think you can determine if someone is taking &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; by what they look like. It&#8217;s amazing any sensible person would think they can tell by a number on a chart if people smoke, eat right and exercise. Perhaps you propose to verify that by Big Brother intrusions into our homes, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvin Zero</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48609</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvin Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably too late for anyone to see this but I wanted to add my two cents.

First, I have been a vegetarian for almost a decade now with occasional forays into seafood and fish. I buy organic produce when possible and eat very little processed anything. I don't drink soda and have a beer very occasionally.  I am 5'7" and generally stay around 210 -220 lbs. So much for the "never seen a fat vegetarian argument".

The bottom line is I love food. I love to eat. I also hate to exercise. Maybe this makes me lazy and self indulgent but it is the way I like things. 

Several years ago I decided to lose some weight. Mostly I believe not because I wanted to be thin but that I am expected to be. I cut out most sweets ( I have a terrible sweet tooth) and worked out 3 -4 days a week. I lost 35 lbs and was as trim as I have ever been. The only problem is that I was miserable.

Remember the idea of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Food makes me happy, exercise makes me unhappy. That's the way it is and I'm fine with it. So do me a favor and stay the hell out of the way of my pursuit of happiness you socialistic, maternalistic, self-important, scumbags. Even if you are sure you know what is better for me than I do.

Did I mention that I also smoke? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably too late for anyone to see this but I wanted to add my two cents.</p>
<p>First, I have been a vegetarian for almost a decade now with occasional forays into seafood and fish. I buy organic produce when possible and eat very little processed anything. I don&#8217;t drink soda and have a beer very occasionally.  I am 5&#8242;7&#8243; and generally stay around 210 -220 lbs. So much for the &#8220;never seen a fat vegetarian argument&#8221;.</p>
<p>The bottom line is I love food. I love to eat. I also hate to exercise. Maybe this makes me lazy and self indulgent but it is the way I like things. </p>
<p>Several years ago I decided to lose some weight. Mostly I believe not because I wanted to be thin but that I am expected to be. I cut out most sweets ( I have a terrible sweet tooth) and worked out 3 -4 days a week. I lost 35 lbs and was as trim as I have ever been. The only problem is that I was miserable.</p>
<p>Remember the idea of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Food makes me happy, exercise makes me unhappy. That&#8217;s the way it is and I&#8217;m fine with it. So do me a favor and stay the hell out of the way of my pursuit of happiness you socialistic, maternalistic, self-important, scumbags. Even if you are sure you know what is better for me than I do.</p>
<p>Did I mention that I also smoke? <img src='http://www.theagitator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Random Observations</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48629</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Observations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Time Magazine, Radley Balko, and the Coming Obesity-Fueled Onslaught&lt;/strong&gt;

TIME magazine and ABC news slant their coverage of the fast food debate they're creating, and Radly Balko gets involved. But what do food-control advocates really want? I offer a few thoughts on the debate...</description>
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<p>TIME magazine and ABC news slant their coverage of the fast food debate they&#8217;re creating, and Radly Balko gets involved. But what do food-control advocates really want? I offer a few thoughts on the debate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Byrnes</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48608</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Byrnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many wrong things with the fat coddling point of view that I do not know where to begin.

The only time regular exercise does not work to reduce obesity is when it is not practiced.

Dieting, i.e. fad dieting, does not work.  People regain the weight when they reach their goal.  Diet changes in terms of permanent changes in eating habits do affect one's weight.  They are hard to start, but they work excellent and long-term benefits.

And we are not victims of Madison Avenue.  We do not have to go to McDonalds.  I have never yet been dragged into one of those establishments by Ronald at gunpoint, and ordered to ingest numerous hamburgers.  And my wife and I have a unique approach to dealing with those who market unhealthy stuff directly to kids.  We bypass their products, and have taught our children to expect and respect the word "no" in the supermarket.  If we aren't disciplined, they will not be either.

It all comes down to personal choice, not genetic predisposition, the current liberal cure-all excuse.

We have a free will for a reason.  We'll lose the ability to use it if we give in to such patently silly excuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many wrong things with the fat coddling point of view that I do not know where to begin.</p>
<p>The only time regular exercise does not work to reduce obesity is when it is not practiced.</p>
<p>Dieting, i.e. fad dieting, does not work.  People regain the weight when they reach their goal.  Diet changes in terms of permanent changes in eating habits do affect one&#8217;s weight.  They are hard to start, but they work excellent and long-term benefits.</p>
<p>And we are not victims of Madison Avenue.  We do not have to go to McDonalds.  I have never yet been dragged into one of those establishments by Ronald at gunpoint, and ordered to ingest numerous hamburgers.  And my wife and I have a unique approach to dealing with those who market unhealthy stuff directly to kids.  We bypass their products, and have taught our children to expect and respect the word &#8220;no&#8221; in the supermarket.  If we aren&#8217;t disciplined, they will not be either.</p>
<p>It all comes down to personal choice, not genetic predisposition, the current liberal cure-all excuse.</p>
<p>We have a free will for a reason.  We&#8217;ll lose the ability to use it if we give in to such patently silly excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48607</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, the expense of treating the diseases caused by obesity are breaking our health care system, so this has to be addressed.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, yes it does. If our healthcare system was a truly free capitalist market, then there wouldn't be a problem to begin with. People who lived poor physical lifestyles would endure higher health insurance costs, which would encourage people to live healthier lives. More than likely, insurance companies would give rate breaks for joining a gym, and would base your premiums on overall health. 

Obesity is not the problem here. Socialized healthcare IS. Stealing money from my paycheck to pay for other people's medicine IS. Relieving people of the financial responsibility for their own health IS. 

Yes, we must address this problem, but not in the way that the media and the food nazis would have you believe. The solution is not government-induced anti-obesity measures. The solution is to completely privatize healthcare. Get the FDA out of the pharmaceutical industry's pockets, which would allow smaller companies to produce and sell medicines, which would create real competition, which would drive down drug prices. Allow people to buy medicine without having to first pay exhorbitant amounts of money to some schmoe with a medical degree. Allow insurance companies to base their premiums on all health factors. Allow doctors to practice medicine without a huge drawn-out decades-long university experience. Nobody would FORCE you to go to that doctor, after all.

There are many ways to address the issues of obesity and other factors which raise healthcare costs...but those solutions all lie in LESS government intrusions, not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, the expense of treating the diseases caused by obesity are breaking our health care system, so this has to be addressed.</i></p>
<p>Yes, yes it does. If our healthcare system was a truly free capitalist market, then there wouldn&#8217;t be a problem to begin with. People who lived poor physical lifestyles would endure higher health insurance costs, which would encourage people to live healthier lives. More than likely, insurance companies would give rate breaks for joining a gym, and would base your premiums on overall health. </p>
<p>Obesity is not the problem here. Socialized healthcare IS. Stealing money from my paycheck to pay for other people&#8217;s medicine IS. Relieving people of the financial responsibility for their own health IS. </p>
<p>Yes, we must address this problem, but not in the way that the media and the food nazis would have you believe. The solution is not government-induced anti-obesity measures. The solution is to completely privatize healthcare. Get the FDA out of the pharmaceutical industry&#8217;s pockets, which would allow smaller companies to produce and sell medicines, which would create real competition, which would drive down drug prices. Allow people to buy medicine without having to first pay exhorbitant amounts of money to some schmoe with a medical degree. Allow insurance companies to base their premiums on all health factors. Allow doctors to practice medicine without a huge drawn-out decades-long university experience. Nobody would FORCE you to go to that doctor, after all.</p>
<p>There are many ways to address the issues of obesity and other factors which raise healthcare costs&#8230;but those solutions all lie in LESS government intrusions, not more.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Smelly</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48606</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Smelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

I am really fat and dirty.  I smell of poo.  Can you help me to help myself?
I am going to piss now, but can't be bothered to go to the shitter.

Poo off slaaaaaaaaaaaags!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I am really fat and dirty.  I smell of poo.  Can you help me to help myself?<br />
I am going to piss now, but can&#8217;t be bothered to go to the shitter.</p>
<p>Poo off slaaaaaaaaaaaags!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry O</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/31/just-in-time/#comment-48605</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. T says...
"[F]orget BMI as an indicator of obesity. It is only a screening tool, just like height and weight tables. Intelligent health professionals will not classify someone with an athletic physique as overweight because of a high BMI."

Yeah, but researchers and statisticians with an agenda just might. I poked around the NIH's website and apparently their obesity estimates are based on BMI and the incidence of weight-related diseases and medical conditions. There's obviously a lot of playing around with the statistics for some of these numbers; the NIH seems to think that three of four Hispanics are obese, and nearly four in five black women.

fyodor says...
"Anyway, are there really people out there getting pissed off at fat people and saying, "Their bad habits are costing me money!" Seems like it's such an indirect effect at best that I find it hard to believe that's really the root cause behind this movement."

Personally, I find the fact that these budget-conscious consciences don't seem to be similarly apoplectic when it comes to the 'social costs' of, say, risky sexual activity, medical care for border-crossers, or lawsuit abuse damning enough.

mike on english says...
"My speculation is that the current epidemic of overweight people probably coincides with the large scale production and consumption of high-fructose corn syrup."

And not, say, the reduced proportion of physically-demanding jobs, the increasing size of the middle-aged and elderly populations, abandonment of team sports in the public schools, or subsidies for excessive weight ("obesity as a disability", standardized medical and insurance costs, etc.).

Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. T says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;[F]orget BMI as an indicator of obesity. It is only a screening tool, just like height and weight tables. Intelligent health professionals will not classify someone with an athletic physique as overweight because of a high BMI.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but researchers and statisticians with an agenda just might. I poked around the NIH&#8217;s website and apparently their obesity estimates are based on BMI and the incidence of weight-related diseases and medical conditions. There&#8217;s obviously a lot of playing around with the statistics for some of these numbers; the NIH seems to think that three of four Hispanics are obese, and nearly four in five black women.</p>
<p>fyodor says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Anyway, are there really people out there getting pissed off at fat people and saying, &#8220;Their bad habits are costing me money!&#8221; Seems like it&#8217;s such an indirect effect at best that I find it hard to believe that&#8217;s really the root cause behind this movement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I find the fact that these budget-conscious consciences don&#8217;t seem to be similarly apoplectic when it comes to the &#8217;social costs&#8217; of, say, risky sexual activity, medical care for border-crossers, or lawsuit abuse damning enough.</p>
<p>mike on english says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;My speculation is that the current epidemic of overweight people probably coincides with the large scale production and consumption of high-fructose corn syrup.&#8221;</p>
<p>And not, say, the reduced proportion of physically-demanding jobs, the increasing size of the middle-aged and elderly populations, abandonment of team sports in the public schools, or subsidies for excessive weight (&#8221;obesity as a disability&#8221;, standardized medical and insurance costs, etc.).</p>
<p>Right.</p>
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