Comments on: Zero Tolerance Watch http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:06:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Bronwyn http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45633 Bronwyn Wed, 05 May 2004 15:22:23 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45633 Lee - Funny thing, I have memories of sitting in the desert drinking sidiqqi straight from the big green bottle. When the security guards came by, we didn't get in trouble so long as we had a spare bottle for them. And golly gee whillakers, I survived. Um. Yeah. So I grew up in Saudi Arabia, Zero tolerance capital of the world. Lee – Funny thing, I have memories of sitting in the desert drinking sidiqqi straight from the big green bottle.

When the security guards came by, we didn’t get in trouble so long as we had a spare bottle for them.

And golly gee whillakers, I survived.

Um. Yeah. So I grew up in Saudi Arabia, Zero tolerance capital of the world.

]]> By: Evan Williams http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45632 Evan Williams Wed, 05 May 2004 15:18:40 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45632 <i>If the childrens' parents had such great influence over them, then wouldn't drinking responsibly be the example they want set?</i> Not for <a href="http://www.neoprohibition.com/" rel="nofollow">neoprohibitionists</a>, Doug. As Matthews so unabashedly admitted, he contemplated voting for the prohibitionist presidential candidate a few times. This isn't about safety, this isn't about repsonsibility, this is about Matthews' subjective morality (i.e. prohibition) being laid upon the rest of us sinners. You can cut the smugness with a knife when he proudly declares that he only has a sip of wine every 5 years, and his kids (supposedly) don't drink either. Well, that's all well and good for HIS children (if it's true), but as for myself, and as for MY children, Matthews has no say. I am a responsible drinker. I want my children to grow up to be responsible drinkers; I am a wine and beer expert, and I see these things as cultural necessities and true art forms. I would never seek to deprive my children of these wonders of humanity, all in the name of some subjective morality. So, I will be a responsible drinker, as always, and hopefully my children will follow in my footsteps. If I had a different POV, like Matthews', then I would hope my kids never drank. But I would never force my subjective views on some other parents, as long as they are responsible. This is where Matthews errs. His desire to force his close-minded, self-righteous beliefs on others is deplorable, and even moreso, given the whole underlying Maude Flanders "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children" theme. If the childrens’ parents had such great influence over them, then wouldn’t drinking responsibly be the example they want set?

Not for neoprohibitionists, Doug. As Matthews so unabashedly admitted, he contemplated voting for the prohibitionist presidential candidate a few times. This isn’t about safety, this isn’t about repsonsibility, this is about Matthews’ subjective morality (i.e. prohibition) being laid upon the rest of us sinners. You can cut the smugness with a knife when he proudly declares that he only has a sip of wine every 5 years, and his kids (supposedly) don’t drink either. Well, that’s all well and good for HIS children (if it’s true), but as for myself, and as for MY children, Matthews has no say. I am a responsible drinker. I want my children to grow up to be responsible drinkers; I am a wine and beer expert, and I see these things as cultural necessities and true art forms. I would never seek to deprive my children of these wonders of humanity, all in the name of some subjective morality.

So, I will be a responsible drinker, as always, and hopefully my children will follow in my footsteps. If I had a different POV, like Matthews’, then I would hope my kids never drank. But I would never force my subjective views on some other parents, as long as they are responsible. This is where Matthews errs. His desire to force his close-minded, self-righteous beliefs on others is deplorable, and even moreso, given the whole underlying Maude Flanders “won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children” theme.

]]> By: Garth http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45631 Garth Wed, 05 May 2004 15:17:38 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45631 A combination of our weird puritan relationship to booze and zero-tolerance policies are clearly responsible for the binge-drinking and inability for America's youth to consume alcohol responsibly. Just go to any country (most of Europe for example) where booze is no big deal and young people are exposed to it and it is simply a normal part of life. In these places alcohol-related problems of the kind that we have are not terribly common and are particularly uncommon among young people. I was always allowed to drink at home (beer, wine) and while I "tied one on" quite a few times in High School, I saw little allure in getting drunk in college. A combination of our weird puritan relationship to booze and zero-tolerance policies are clearly responsible for the binge-drinking and inability for America’s youth to consume alcohol responsibly. Just go to any country (most of Europe for example) where booze is no big deal and young people are exposed to it and it is simply a normal part of life. In these places alcohol-related problems of the kind that we have are not terribly common and are particularly uncommon among young people.

I was always allowed to drink at home (beer, wine) and while I “tied one on” quite a few times in High School, I saw little allure in getting drunk in college.

]]> By: George Bush http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45630 George Bush Wed, 05 May 2004 14:35:06 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45630 Evan Williams--There is a lot of evidence that zero tolerance policies work in everything from sex education to drug and alcohol use. Perhaps your parents and teachers should have set a better example. One of the things I hope to be able to do is pass this knowledge onto the great people of Iraq, along with plenty of your tax dollars. Evan Williams–There is a lot of evidence that zero tolerance policies work in everything from sex education to drug and alcohol use. Perhaps your parents and teachers should have set a better example.
One of the things I hope to be able to do is pass this knowledge onto the great people of Iraq, along with plenty of your tax dollars.

]]> By: DougB http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45629 DougB Wed, 05 May 2004 13:52:02 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45629 The entire concept is circular reasoning. If the childrens' parents had such great influence over them, then wouldn't drinking responsibly be the example they want set? Logically all he can argue is "It's wrong to get plowed every night in front of your kids." Duh. Clueless moron. Move on. The entire concept is circular reasoning.

If the childrens’ parents had such great influence over them, then wouldn’t drinking responsibly be the example they want set?

Logically all he can argue is “It’s wrong to get plowed every night in front of your kids.”

Duh.

Clueless moron. Move on.

]]> By: seditious_nick http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45627 seditious_nick Wed, 05 May 2004 13:17:52 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45627 Jay Matthews worries that "somewhere, someone is enjoying themselves. This will not stand." F'n nutcase. GET A LIFE! Jay Matthews worries that “somewhere, someone is enjoying themselves. This will not stand.” F’n nutcase. GET A LIFE!

]]> By: Chris Farley http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45626 Chris Farley Wed, 05 May 2004 13:16:53 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45626 Just what I need, a group of morons telling me how to raise my children. I agree, it is very creepy that this guy is spying on teenage kids. Just what I need, a group of morons telling me how to raise my children.

I agree, it is very creepy that this guy is spying on teenage kids.

]]> By: Michael Tinkler http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45625 Michael Tinkler Wed, 05 May 2004 03:29:20 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45625 I weep for the current college students. I weep for the current college students.

]]> By: Lee http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45623 Lee Wed, 05 May 2004 00:14:20 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45623 and drinking from PLASTIC! cups. Will it never end?!?! think of the children! Funny, I have fond memories of sitting around in the desert during HS drinking from plastic cups making light conversation. and drinking from PLASTIC! cups. Will it never end?!?! think of the children!

Funny, I have fond memories of sitting around in the desert during HS drinking from plastic cups making light conversation.

]]> By: Westhoff http://www.theagitator.com/2004/05/04/zero-tolerance-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-45622 Westhoff Wed, 05 May 2004 00:04:00 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=4038#comment-45622 They were making light conversation, oh the horror. They were making light conversation, oh the horror.

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