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		<title>By: soma</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-2/#comment-43910</link>
		<dc:creator>soma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric the .5b</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-2/#comment-43909</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the .5b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2004 05:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John H:

Damn good point.  If you can&#039;t pick up on the single weirdest aspect of a band while ridiculing it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John H:</p>
<p>Damn good point.  If you can&#8217;t pick up on the single weirdest aspect of a band while ridiculing it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-2/#comment-43908</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But listing Live?&quot;

Their great sin with listing Live was that they did so without mentioning that Ed, the singer, is a devotee of a cult leader who goes by &quot;Adi Da&quot;, but once called himself &quot;&lt;b&gt;Bubba Free John&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But listing Live?&#8221;</p>
<p>Their great sin with listing Live was that they did so without mentioning that Ed, the singer, is a devotee of a cult leader who goes by &#8220;Adi Da&#8221;, but once called himself &#8220;<b>Bubba Free John</b>&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43907</link>
		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn straight, Andrew Ian Dodge. Air Supply rules.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ian Dodge</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43906</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ian Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another worst list written by indie wankers. What a load of bollocks (mostly). They didn&#039;t try very hard on this one did they? 

Smelly gits who were jealous of the hard rockers in school/college. Prats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another worst list written by indie wankers. What a load of bollocks (mostly). They didn&#8217;t try very hard on this one did they? </p>
<p>Smelly gits who were jealous of the hard rockers in school/college. Prats.</p>
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		<title>By: Baylen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43905</link>
		<dc:creator>Baylen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeb, you make a good point. I don&#039;t dispute that Blender is not an unimpeachable source like CR -- I made that case, too -- but two things: 1) in a free market, people can choose to trust whichever source they want, even the crappy ones; and 2) music is subjective.

On another note, the mix of customer and bot recommendations at Amazon.com is a mix of CR&#039;s data-driven approach and Blender&#039;s subjective style -- and might deliver a much better list of recommendations than does either CR or Blender because of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeb, you make a good point. I don&#8217;t dispute that Blender is not an unimpeachable source like CR &#8212; I made that case, too &#8212; but two things: 1) in a free market, people can choose to trust whichever source they want, even the crappy ones; and 2) music is subjective.</p>
<p>On another note, the mix of customer and bot recommendations at Amazon.com is a mix of CR&#8217;s data-driven approach and Blender&#8217;s subjective style &#8212; and might deliver a much better list of recommendations than does either CR or Blender because of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43903</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baylen is way off.  Okay, not completely.  Obviously I was exaggerating a touch with the nanny-muc-industry remark, but I stand by my main point.

The big difference between Blender and Consumer Reports -- and it&#039;s a huge difference -- is that Consumer Reports is objective, measuring things like size, reliability (in concrete statistical ways), price and others.  Blender, on the other hand, relies on the fact that they write for a magazine and you don&#039;t for their authority.  And the problem is, whereas Consumer Reports will be able to tell you pretty well whether you&#039;re going to be happy with that new big-screen TV, Blender has no idea what music you&#039;re going to like and any attempts to tell you such is way off-base and presumptuous.

That&#039;s my beef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baylen is way off.  Okay, not completely.  Obviously I was exaggerating a touch with the nanny-muc-industry remark, but I stand by my main point.</p>
<p>The big difference between Blender and Consumer Reports &#8212; and it&#8217;s a huge difference &#8212; is that Consumer Reports is objective, measuring things like size, reliability (in concrete statistical ways), price and others.  Blender, on the other hand, relies on the fact that they write for a magazine and you don&#8217;t for their authority.  And the problem is, whereas Consumer Reports will be able to tell you pretty well whether you&#8217;re going to be happy with that new big-screen TV, Blender has no idea what music you&#8217;re going to like and any attempts to tell you such is way off-base and presumptuous.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my beef.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43902</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my final word on Toto I will turn to a quote from Empire Records:

Jane: Actually, Toto&#039;s new album tested well among males.

Lucas: Jane, did you compare the percentage of male Toto fans to the incidence of homosexuality amongst males?

Yes, it&#039;s been altered for my purposes.

Toto Sucks.

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my final word on Toto I will turn to a quote from Empire Records:</p>
<p>Jane: Actually, Toto&#8217;s new album tested well among males.</p>
<p>Lucas: Jane, did you compare the percentage of male Toto fans to the incidence of homosexuality amongst males?</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s been altered for my purposes.</p>
<p>Toto Sucks.</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Baylen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baylen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeb is way off. Blender&#039;s not telling us what not/to listen to, they&#039;re simply telling us what they think sucks. That&#039;s distinctly libertarian. Places like Consumer Reports are invaluable sources of ratings information not because they tell us what not/to do or buy, but because they are credible and independent sources of infomration. In the end, though, it&#039;s up to you whether to trust a source&#039;s information. Most everyone uses sources -- word of mouth or the latest report on a product -- before they make a purchase. By informing us, Blender, Consumer Reports, etc. help consumers make educated choices.  Gather facts from the source you see fit (or just go on a hunch) and sink/swim based on your decision. That&#039;s as free market as it gets. There&#039;s no nanny-state there -- no NHTSA, FDA, CPSC, or any other government agency seeking to coerce consumer decisionmaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeb is way off. Blender&#8217;s not telling us what not/to listen to, they&#8217;re simply telling us what they think sucks. That&#8217;s distinctly libertarian. Places like Consumer Reports are invaluable sources of ratings information not because they tell us what not/to do or buy, but because they are credible and independent sources of infomration. In the end, though, it&#8217;s up to you whether to trust a source&#8217;s information. Most everyone uses sources &#8212; word of mouth or the latest report on a product &#8212; before they make a purchase. By informing us, Blender, Consumer Reports, etc. help consumers make educated choices.  Gather facts from the source you see fit (or just go on a hunch) and sink/swim based on your decision. That&#8217;s as free market as it gets. There&#8217;s no nanny-state there &#8212; no NHTSA, FDA, CPSC, or any other government agency seeking to coerce consumer decisionmaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Dani</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43900</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danno49, about assholes and excuses... they always stink</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danno49, about assholes and excuses&#8230; they always stink</p>
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		<title>By: corquando</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43899</link>
		<dc:creator>corquando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am, I admit, probably the only one who believes that Foreigner &amp; AC/DC belonged on that list. Two words: Lame. Screaming.

Frank Zappa ruled, at least up until &lt;b&gt;Joe&#039;s Garage&lt;/b&gt;. I think the ass cancer had got to his brain by then.

Obscure goodness: Letters From Cleo &amp; the Tuesdays. Good 90&#039;s girl-pop.

So there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am, I admit, probably the only one who believes that Foreigner &#038; AC/DC belonged on that list. Two words: Lame. Screaming.</p>
<p>Frank Zappa ruled, at least up until <b>Joe&#8217;s Garage</b>. I think the ass cancer had got to his brain by then.</p>
<p>Obscure goodness: Letters From Cleo &#038; the Tuesdays. Good 90&#8242;s girl-pop.</p>
<p>So there.</p>
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		<title>By: SpankyMcTasteButter</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43898</link>
		<dc:creator>SpankyMcTasteButter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so easy to make fun of 80s music, and so easy to make fun of any pop music (never been more pop music by more bands than in the 80s).

But I know you all have a favorite.

Mine &quot;My Cherona&quot; by The Knack, because... well, I always get it up for the touch of the younger kind. (8-o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so easy to make fun of 80s music, and so easy to make fun of any pop music (never been more pop music by more bands than in the 80s).</p>
<p>But I know you all have a favorite.</p>
<p>Mine &#8220;My Cherona&#8221; by The Knack, because&#8230; well, I always get it up for the touch of the younger kind. (8-o</p>
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		<title>By: billy-jay</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43897</link>
		<dc:creator>billy-jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeb gets it.</description>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43896</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chalk up another win for Toto - I think they were pretty good in their day, particularly with &quot;Hold the Line&quot;.

Putting Kansas on the list, however, is pure ignorance.  If &quot;Carry On Wayward Son&quot; isn&#039;t one of the best rock tunes EVER, then I&#039;m just not a real fan of rock and roll.  Damn, how could anyone expect any more from a tune than they deliver in THAT one?

That said, I vote Spandau Ballet for the title of Worst Band Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chalk up another win for Toto &#8211; I think they were pretty good in their day, particularly with &#8220;Hold the Line&#8221;.</p>
<p>Putting Kansas on the list, however, is pure ignorance.  If &#8220;Carry On Wayward Son&#8221; isn&#8217;t one of the best rock tunes EVER, then I&#8217;m just not a real fan of rock and roll.  Damn, how could anyone expect any more from a tune than they deliver in THAT one?</p>
<p>That said, I vote Spandau Ballet for the title of Worst Band Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the .5b</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric the .5b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have closed the window, laughing, when I saw the Doors listed.  I&#039;m not a major Doors fan, don&#039;t even have a CD, but come &lt;i&gt;on&lt;/i&gt;.

But listing Live?  And blaming Live for &lt;i&gt;Creed&lt;/i&gt;?!  That&#039;s damn near fightin&#039; words.  How on earth can you blame Live for Creed any more than you could blame every other loud rock band with male vocalists that came before, like Nirvana, Metallica, or Black Sabbath?  &lt;i&gt;Please&lt;/i&gt;.

And then...&lt;i&gt;Oingo Boingo&lt;/i&gt;.  

Oh.

Oh, dear.

Well, then.  That changes things.  This is not a matter of offense, or poor musical taste. 

This is a cry for help.

We&#039;re dealing with a sad, joyless person.  A troubled person, but still a fellow human being.

Anger is not the appropriate response.  We must open our hearts so that we may...

...point and laugh.  Loudly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have closed the window, laughing, when I saw the Doors listed.  I&#8217;m not a major Doors fan, don&#8217;t even have a CD, but come <i>on</i>.</p>
<p>But listing Live?  And blaming Live for <i>Creed</i>?!  That&#8217;s damn near fightin&#8217; words.  How on earth can you blame Live for Creed any more than you could blame every other loud rock band with male vocalists that came before, like Nirvana, Metallica, or Black Sabbath?  <i>Please</i>.</p>
<p>And then&#8230;<i>Oingo Boingo</i>.  </p>
<p>Oh.</p>
<p>Oh, dear.</p>
<p>Well, then.  That changes things.  This is not a matter of offense, or poor musical taste. </p>
<p>This is a cry for help.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re dealing with a sad, joyless person.  A troubled person, but still a fellow human being.</p>
<p>Anger is not the appropriate response.  We must open our hearts so that we may&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;point and laugh.  Loudly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all wrong.  If it sounds good to you, screw the elitist, noses-in-the-air pompous pieces of crap at Blender, and listen to it.

Also, why are libertarians knocking other people&#039;s music?  Shouldn&#039;t you leave that to those nanny-music-industry types over at Blender who want to tell you what to listen to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all wrong.  If it sounds good to you, screw the elitist, noses-in-the-air pompous pieces of crap at Blender, and listen to it.</p>
<p>Also, why are libertarians knocking other people&#8217;s music?  Shouldn&#8217;t you leave that to those nanny-music-industry types over at Blender who want to tell you what to listen to?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to understand why these &quot;worst bands&quot; lists always bash prog rock. 

&quot;Bereft of sex and emotion, Kansasâ??s music was a noxious fusion of Jethro Tull and Yes, appealing only to male sci-fi bores...&quot;

God forbid someone write something other than maudlin, nausea-inducing love songs.  Some of us get tired of listening to every half-formed piece of crap written by a horny teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to understand why these &#8220;worst bands&#8221; lists always bash prog rock. </p>
<p>&#8220;Bereft of sex and emotion, Kansasâ??s music was a noxious fusion of Jethro Tull and Yes, appealing only to male sci-fi bores&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>God forbid someone write something other than maudlin, nausea-inducing love songs.  Some of us get tired of listening to every half-formed piece of crap written by a horny teenager.</p>
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		<title>By: go fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>go fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bend me shape me&lt;/strong&gt;

Bad bands are so bad, sometimes they&#039;re good. Sometimes. Blender has listed the Worst 50 Musical Artists Ever. And here...
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bend me shape me</strong></p>
<p>Bad bands are so bad, sometimes they&#8217;re good. Sometimes. Blender has listed the Worst 50 Musical Artists Ever. And here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who thinks &quot;Toad the Wet Sprocket&quot; is a bad name obviously isn&#039;t a Monty Python fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who thinks &#8220;Toad the Wet Sprocket&#8221; is a bad name obviously isn&#8217;t a Monty Python fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Baylen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/19/bad-tunes/comment-page-1/#comment-43891</link>
		<dc:creator>Baylen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no qualms about any of the 50 who made it, but I can think of some who should have made it. (Counting Crows, the Smithereens, Modest Mouse, Annie Lennox, Jack Black, Jeffrey Osborne, Cher, Chaka Khan -- and my god how did Bryan Adams not make the list??? &quot;Summer of &#039;69&quot; must have saved him.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no qualms about any of the 50 who made it, but I can think of some who should have made it. (Counting Crows, the Smithereens, Modest Mouse, Annie Lennox, Jack Black, Jeffrey Osborne, Cher, Chaka Khan &#8212; and my god how did Bryan Adams not make the list??? &#8220;Summer of &#8217;69&#8243; must have saved him.)</p>
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