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	<title>Comments on: Politics and Censorship</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/04/politics-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-42672</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. if anyone knows where one might hear the audiotapes of the iraqi military officers/saddam republican guard, etc.. lemme know. it could be fabulously tasty icing on my pro-invasion stance.
2. i will most certainly find myself in the minority on this but i think way too much time/money/energy is being spent on this 9/11 commission. i&#039;m tired of the fingerpointing. it&#039;s not anyone&#039;s or any agency&#039;s fault/failure to a degree where one can say conclusively a-ha &quot;if you would have done xyz then that day would not have happened.&quot; we could spend years and billions and billions playing that game. it&#039;s time to move forward. says this civilian. michelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. if anyone knows where one might hear the audiotapes of the iraqi military officers/saddam republican guard, etc.. lemme know. it could be fabulously tasty icing on my pro-invasion stance.<br />
2. i will most certainly find myself in the minority on this but i think way too much time/money/energy is being spent on this 9/11 commission. i&#8217;m tired of the fingerpointing. it&#8217;s not anyone&#8217;s or any agency&#8217;s fault/failure to a degree where one can say conclusively a-ha &#8220;if you would have done xyz then that day would not have happened.&#8221; we could spend years and billions and billions playing that game. it&#8217;s time to move forward. says this civilian. michelle</p>
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		<title>By: John T. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/04/politics-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-42671</link>
		<dc:creator>John T. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2004 04:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that politicians use political power to cover their political asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked &#8211; SHOCKED &#8211; to learn that politicians use political power to cover their political asses.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip Oliva</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/04/politics-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-42670</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more pressing concern than document classification is &quot;executive privilege,&quot; which reared its head in the debate over whether Dr. Rice would testify before the Commission. The argument was that having Rice testify before a congressionally-created commission would compromise the Executive Branch&#039;s ability to properly advise the president.

Executive privilege has always been a myth of constitutional construction. It&#039;s alleged source is Article II&#039;s charge that the President &quot;may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Ofices.&quot; This was later spun to mean all such advice was privileged unless the President alone decided otherwise. 

My first objection to the privilege argument is that although there is a separation of powers between the branches of government, the branches are not &quot;co-equal&quot;; In a republican (small &quot;r&quot;) government, the legislature is the ultimate agent of the sovereign people. The Constitution&#039;s structure upholds this view. Congress can impeach and remove the president and federal judges, for example. Similarly, the Constitution requires the President to provide Congress with information on the &quot;State of the Union,&quot; but not vice versa.  

During the debate before the war, the White House withheld a good deal of information from Congress on &quot;national security&quot; grounds. This was unconstitutional, in my view, because the Executive has no such right to withhold. Even if Congress acts irresponsibly and leaks stuff, it&#039;s still their decision to make. Similarly, handling document classification is ultimately a legislative decision, though of course *Congress* may delegate initial classification authority to the President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more pressing concern than document classification is &#8220;executive privilege,&#8221; which reared its head in the debate over whether Dr. Rice would testify before the Commission. The argument was that having Rice testify before a congressionally-created commission would compromise the Executive Branch&#8217;s ability to properly advise the president.</p>
<p>Executive privilege has always been a myth of constitutional construction. It&#8217;s alleged source is Article II&#8217;s charge that the President &#8220;may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Ofices.&#8221; This was later spun to mean all such advice was privileged unless the President alone decided otherwise. </p>
<p>My first objection to the privilege argument is that although there is a separation of powers between the branches of government, the branches are not &#8220;co-equal&#8221;; In a republican (small &#8220;r&#8221;) government, the legislature is the ultimate agent of the sovereign people. The Constitution&#8217;s structure upholds this view. Congress can impeach and remove the president and federal judges, for example. Similarly, the Constitution requires the President to provide Congress with information on the &#8220;State of the Union,&#8221; but not vice versa.  </p>
<p>During the debate before the war, the White House withheld a good deal of information from Congress on &#8220;national security&#8221; grounds. This was unconstitutional, in my view, because the Executive has no such right to withhold. Even if Congress acts irresponsibly and leaks stuff, it&#8217;s still their decision to make. Similarly, handling document classification is ultimately a legislative decision, though of course *Congress* may delegate initial classification authority to the President.</p>
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		<title>By: Poobah</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/04/politics-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-42669</link>
		<dc:creator>Poobah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill &#039;em all?

Oh.. I guess that&#039;s not a &quot;good&quot; solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill &#8216;em all?</p>
<p>Oh.. I guess that&#8217;s not a &#8220;good&#8221; solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Peck</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2004/04/04/politics-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-42668</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Peck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am undecided on the issue of classification. My two, conflicting thoughts are these:

- Granting the Executive sole discretion in determining classification of information is guaranteed to result in misuse of the power. George Bush has proven this well.

- Granting the Congress any review of the Executive&#039;s classification decisions is foolish, as the Congress are the greatest source of classified information leaks. Those bastards just can&#039;t keep a secret.

I am not in favor of doing away with classification entirely. Neither am I convinced of a good method for mitigating the problems. Does anyone have a good solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am undecided on the issue of classification. My two, conflicting thoughts are these:</p>
<p>- Granting the Executive sole discretion in determining classification of information is guaranteed to result in misuse of the power. George Bush has proven this well.</p>
<p>- Granting the Congress any review of the Executive&#8217;s classification decisions is foolish, as the Congress are the greatest source of classified information leaks. Those bastards just can&#8217;t keep a secret.</p>
<p>I am not in favor of doing away with classification entirely. Neither am I convinced of a good method for mitigating the problems. Does anyone have a good solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. What&#039;s really confusing is why they back this censorship, which crosses over to preventing people from testifying all the way to preventing a commission from even arising, in the first place. They are always forced to capitulate to the 9/11 commission, whose popularity far surpasses that of any one figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. What&#8217;s really confusing is why they back this censorship, which crosses over to preventing people from testifying all the way to preventing a commission from even arising, in the first place. They are always forced to capitulate to the 9/11 commission, whose popularity far surpasses that of any one figure.</p>
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