Comments on: Tower Records and the Conservative Left http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:25:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Ed Driscoll.com http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39261 Ed Driscoll.com Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:47 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39261 <strong>THE CONSERVATIVE LEFT</strong> Forgive me, please, for chuckling a little at Radley Balko's new meme, but he's definitely onto something:You know, you sometimes get the feeling the day after the polio vaccine was invented, today's left would have run editorials lamenting the good... THE CONSERVATIVE LEFT

Forgive me, please, for chuckling a little at Radley Balko’s new meme, but he’s definitely onto something:You know, you sometimes get the feeling the day after the polio vaccine was invented, today’s left would have run editorials lamenting the good…

]]> By: goodears http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39260 goodears Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:34:42 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39260 yes cd's are more convenient and less fragile than vinyl lp's, but they aren't music. they are a didigtal representation of music. anyone who has taken the time to set-up and maintain a quality ANALOG stereo system knows this. like most of the mass produced products that corporate america foists on its vain and gullible consumers, lp's and 45's of the 60's & 70's were of dubious quality. just like the music it pumps out now, only on cd's. if one takes the time to purchase high quality 180 gram, virgin vinyl lp's that are half speed masters, one would never listen to cd's again. so, if you like it quick and cheap, shop at wal-mart. if you care about your community, and are willing to take the time and spend the money, then shop at your local retailer. both have their rewards as well as their risks. as to the argument/s that change is always good or always bad, neither is correct. change is constant, some times fighting it is good and sometimes fighting it is futile. it is when one group disparages another group for not supporting its desired changes that problems arise. somethings i buy at wal-mart, somethings i buy at the mom & pop shop. i just don't want people calling me names because i listen to my music on vinyl. yes cd’s are more convenient and less fragile than vinyl lp’s, but they aren’t music. they are a didigtal representation of music. anyone who has taken the time to set-up and maintain a quality ANALOG stereo system knows this. like most of the mass produced products that corporate america foists on its vain and gullible consumers, lp’s and 45’s of the 60’s & 70’s were of dubious quality. just like the music it pumps out now, only on cd’s. if one takes the time to purchase high quality 180 gram, virgin vinyl lp’s that are half speed masters, one would never listen to cd’s again. so, if you like it quick and cheap, shop at wal-mart. if you care about your community, and are willing to take the time and spend the money, then shop at your local retailer. both have their rewards as well as their risks. as to the argument/s that change is always good or always bad, neither is correct. change is constant, some times fighting it is good and sometimes fighting it is futile. it is when one group disparages another group for not supporting its desired changes that problems arise. somethings i buy at wal-mart, somethings i buy at the mom & pop shop. i just don’t want people calling me names because i listen to my music on vinyl.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39259 Jeremy Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:21:56 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39259 Well, actually, DJs mostly use vinyl records because it's very hard to scratch with compact discs. There are actually gizmos that let you, and there's a thing that does something similar with MP3s, but it's not quite the same. They also do like the crackle of vinyl. Well, actually, DJs mostly use vinyl records because it’s very hard to scratch with compact discs. There are actually gizmos that let you, and there’s a thing that does something similar with MP3s, but it’s not quite the same.

They also do like the crackle of vinyl.

]]> By: Bithead http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39258 Bithead Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:27:33 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39258 It strikes me as interesting that hte very people who argue that Walmart and the changes it brings, "damages communities" and yet other social changes are supposed to be welcomed... homosexual unions for one "hot button' example... these are supposed to be welcomed with open arms, despite the idea that they too can damage communities, and at a far more basic level. I don't mean to equate the two in terms of impact. Yet, the diffeening logic in the respective cases seems somewhat lacking, here. It strikes me as interesting that hte very people who argue that Walmart and the changes it brings, “damages communities” and yet other social changes are supposed to be welcomed… homosexual unions for one “hot button’ example… these are supposed to be welcomed with open arms, despite the idea that they too can damage communities, and at a far more basic level.

I don’t mean to equate the two in terms of impact. Yet, the diffeening logic in the respective cases seems somewhat lacking, here.

]]> By: Rich Casebolt http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39257 Rich Casebolt Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:04:33 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39257 Any of you who believe that the rich abd corporations are our greatest threat, answer me this. If the rich are so powerful, how did Sam Walton (and Michael Dell, and Herb Kellerer (sp?) of Southwest Airlines) come from nowhere and steal the customers of established firms so effectively? Any of you who believe that the rich abd corporations are our greatest threat, answer me this.

If the rich are so powerful, how did Sam Walton (and Michael Dell, and Herb Kellerer (sp?) of Southwest Airlines) come from nowhere and steal the customers of established firms so effectively?

]]> By: Danno49 http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39256 Danno49 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:36:38 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39256 Well, WalMart is an American success story. Can't have anyone being successful in America. It makes people jealous. Well, WalMart is an American success story. Can’t have anyone being successful in America. It makes people jealous.

]]> By: Ms. Dani http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39255 Ms. Dani Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:59:38 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39255 I personally think Walmart gives lower-income families the opportunity to live as comfortably as others, not to mention employment opps. How can that be damaging to a community? I personally think Walmart gives lower-income families the opportunity to live as comfortably as others, not to mention employment opps. How can that be damaging to a community?

]]> By: Radley Balko http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39254 Radley Balko Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:32:47 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39254 Bones -- The right is resistant to social change. The left is resistant to economic change. Both are generally "conservative" principles in that both seek to conserve the status quo. Bones –

The right is resistant to social change. The left is resistant to economic change. Both are generally “conservative” principles in that both seek to conserve the status quo.

]]> By: Richard http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39253 Richard Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:40:49 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39253 Proof reading is good- Conservatives, major and recognize lol! Proof reading is good-

Conservatives, major and recognize

lol!

]]> By: Richard http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39252 Richard Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:43 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39252 Bones- "Um, resistance of change is more a conservative trait than a liberal one." Yes! I have to agree, conservative seem (IMO) to want to live in 1950. I think that the makor difference in the current definitions of conservative/liberal is that conservatives think that the social playing field is level, so everyone should live in the 1950s "ideal" life, shown by sit-coms and fuzzy memory. Liberals recognixa the field is uneven but think that taxes and government programs can "fix" that. Both are wrong. Bones-
“Um, resistance of change is more a conservative trait than a liberal one.”

Yes! I have to agree, conservative seem (IMO) to want to live in 1950. I think that the makor difference in the current definitions of conservative/liberal is that conservatives think that the social playing field is level, so everyone should live in the 1950s “ideal” life, shown by sit-coms and fuzzy memory. Liberals recognixa the field is uneven but think that taxes and government programs can “fix” that.

Both are wrong.

]]> By: Robert Brager http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39251 Robert Brager Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:35:21 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39251 Aw Hell, the Mercer Way Tower store in Seattle where I met Sonic Youth and the 38th street store in Tacoma where I picked up my first issue of Psychotronic magazine are already gone, the latter for a considerable amount of time now. So what? I still get all that stuff, and cheaper now too. Bands remain to this day very approachable. And to Bones: The contrast wasn't conservative/liberal - but right/left conservatism. Aw Hell, the Mercer Way Tower store in Seattle where I met Sonic Youth and the 38th street store in Tacoma where I picked up my first issue of Psychotronic magazine are already gone, the latter for a considerable amount of time now.

So what?

I still get all that stuff, and cheaper now too. Bands remain to this day very approachable.

And to Bones:

The contrast wasn’t conservative/liberal - but right/left conservatism.

]]> By: sephiroth http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39250 sephiroth Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:04:30 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39250 Bones: " but it's because WalMart is very damaging to communities, not because it "represents change". Which is basically another way of saying "it changes communities" given that you personally dislike the changes it brings. Bones:
” but it’s because WalMart is very damaging to communities, not because it “represents change”.

Which is basically another way of saying “it changes communities” given that you personally dislike the changes it brings.

]]> By: Eric Schafer http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39249 Eric Schafer Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:48:09 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39249 Bones - None us understands what liberals think? You flatter yourself. Bones - None us understands what liberals think? You flatter yourself.

]]> By: Bones http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39248 Bones Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:30:38 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39248 Um, resistance of change is more a conservative trait than a liberal one. As for WalMart I'll agree that liberals are down on WalMart more than conservatives, but it's because WalMart is very damaging to communities, not because it "represents change". All in all, an interesting article, but since you have no clue at all what liberals think, or the point the quotes you are responding to is trying to make, you end up flogging strawmen. Um, resistance of change is more a conservative trait than a liberal one. As for WalMart I’ll agree that liberals are down on WalMart more than conservatives, but it’s because WalMart is very damaging to communities, not because it “represents change”.

All in all, an interesting article, but since you have no clue at all what liberals think, or the point the quotes you are responding to is trying to make, you end up flogging strawmen.

]]> By: Eric Schafer http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39247 Eric Schafer Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:11:18 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39247 They're obviously living in the past. I own over two-hundred vinyl albums but have replaced them with CDs. Digital recording is an improvement. And I'm not your buddy, Miss Anonymous. They’re obviously living in the past. I own over two-hundred vinyl albums but have replaced them with CDs. Digital recording is an improvement. And I’m not your buddy, Miss Anonymous.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39246 Anonymous Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:37:15 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39246 Listen buddy, a lot of people still listen to vinyl and good artists still put out 12" and 7" singles and LP or 2LP full-lengths. In fact in the hip-hop, electronic, dance, etc genres, some artists use only vinyl. Listen buddy, a lot of people still listen to vinyl and good artists still put out 12″ and 7″ singles and LP or 2LP full-lengths. In fact in the hip-hop, electronic, dance, etc genres, some artists use only vinyl.

]]> By: Eric Schafer http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39245 Eric Schafer Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:20:25 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39245 . . . and to think, a Leftest actually INVENTED the internet! I wonder if they pine for the crackle of vinyl as well? . . . and to think, a Leftest actually INVENTED the internet! I wonder if they pine for the crackle of vinyl as well?

]]> By: titus http://www.theagitator.com/2004/02/15/tower-records-and-the-conservative-left/#comment-39244 titus Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:54:50 +0000 http://dev.theagitator.com/?p=3713#comment-39244 Someday, Walmart will go out of business, and the left will sigh a sigh of sadness, shake their collective fists at the heavens, and lament, "damn you, capitalism!" Someday, Walmart will go out of business, and the left will sigh a sigh of sadness, shake their collective fists at the heavens, and lament, “damn you, capitalism!”

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