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		<title>By: tee shirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>tee shirt</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: The Curmudgeonly Clerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Curmudgeonly Clerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Federalism and the Federal Drug War&lt;/strong&gt;

I have evinced skepticism about so-called federalist critiques of the federal governmentâ??s conduct in the drug war. My doubts notwithstanding,...
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<p>I have evinced skepticism about so-called federalist critiques of the federal governmentâ??s conduct in the drug war. My doubts notwithstanding,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JOHNNY REB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHNNY REB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2003 15:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WE IN THE SOUTH HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER THE THUMB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT SINCE WE LOST THE WAR.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2003 02:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Since this was a federal indictment, the judge would not allow the defense to use anything relating to the medical necessity rule, being that the feds do not recognize the herb as a viable medication.

This is well documented on the web. Do a search at any of your favorite search engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Since this was a federal indictment, the judge would not allow the defense to use anything relating to the medical necessity rule, being that the feds do not recognize the herb as a viable medication.</p>
<p>This is well documented on the web. Do a search at any of your favorite search engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Damn It To Hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damn It To Hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2003 00:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fedralism in a Nutshell&lt;/strong&gt;

A great quote on Federalism by Radley Balko of theagitator.com:...government works most efficiently when it&#8217;s most accountable to the people.</description>
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<p>A great quote on Federalism by Radley Balko of theagitator.com:&#8230;government works most efficiently when it&rsquo;s most accountable to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2003 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I find this a moldy oldy that is also completely unpersuasive.

First, you fail to demonstrate that Ashcroft is a federalist in any way.  You don&#039;t cite a single federalist action or even vote.  In the one interview you quote (just out of curiosity, did you read the whole thing, or just excerpts reported by other media?), he says &quot;traditionalists&quot;.  You use &quot;state&#039;s rights&quot; later (in quotes), but provide no context -- did Ashcroft even use those words?.  In fact, you provide a fairly clear picture of what segregation apologists in a general sense say, but are near silent about Ashcroft himself.  If I&#039;m reading something about Ashcroft, do me the favor of describing him, not some other group of which he may or not be a member (you say he isn&#039;t a bigot, but do you include him as a segregationist apologist?  If so, you provide no connection other than you talk about them an awful lot). Surely you can do better.  Surely you didn&#039;t use the &lt;i&gt;Southern Partisan&lt;/i&gt; quote just to smear him as a possible bigot.

He may well be a federalist, but based on this article, that would be a leap of faith on the reader&#039;s part.  And while you provide your own definition, wouldn&#039;t it have been helpful to provide Ashcroft&#039;s definition?  You accuse him of being a funky federalist, but provide no evidence that he&#039;s even a federalist, let alone that his definition of federalism agrees with your own.

Second, you mischaracterize Richard Cohen (or if not Richard, then the Richard mischaracterized the truth): &quot;Ashcroft has specifically charged U.S. Attorneys to aggressively seek the death penalty for capital federal crimes in areas of the country traditionally opposed to capital punishment. &quot;  What I could find was that &quot;&lt;a&gt;In New York and Connecticut, two jurisdictions with an inexplicable reluctance to apply the death penalty -- who can explain the effete East? -- Ashcroft has ordered local prosecutors to seek the death penalty in cases where they had decided not to.&lt;/a&gt;&quot; and that &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthinjustice.org/ashcroft.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time magazine tells us that 12 times since assuming office, Ashcroft has overruled local U.S. attorneys and demanded they ask for capital punishment.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;  My understanding is that during the regular review of cases, Ashcroft has directed prosecutors to ask for the death penalty in cases where they hadn&#039;t planned to -- which isn&#039;t what you said.

Third, I find that you are incorrect in your application of federalism.  Perhaps your own views are coloring your application of federalism?  But I digress.  To me, federalism in this country means that constitution delineates the authority of the national (U.S., federal) government; the national government has only the authority granted it by the constitution, and no more.  The states or the people retain all other authority; and local governments derive from the respective states.  And where the national government has authority, it supercedes the states.  So when Congress makes a law within its authority, that law takes precedence over state law(s).  You have the crafting of laws correct (they should be pushed down to the lowest possible level), but the precedence backwards (higher level laws take precedence).

So how does this apply to the death penalty?  Shouldn&#039;t the justice department seek to carry it out uniformly?   Yes.  If there are differences between the states, then that is a matter for local juries, not the justice department.  National policy should be uniform across the states (which is why its at the national level); state policy should vary from state to state.

On the matter of assisted suicide and drug laws, it&#039;s fine and dandy for a state to make such things legal.  But the voters of Oregon cannot overturn federal law.  That would be a violation of federalism, not upholding it.  If the voters in Oregon don&#039;t want a state or local penalty for a particular act, then great, but they can&#039;t change federal law all by themselves.

So on the matter of Ashcroft being a fairweather federalist, you provide no evidence whatsoever that he is a federalist, nor are the actions you cite incompatible with federalism.

Now this raises the point of whether or not these laws should be at a national level. I think most federalists would agree that the national government has usurped a lot of authority of the years it doesn&#039;t legally possess.  While I think the national government has gone overboard in federalizing crime, the case Cohen cited was that of spying, which IMHO is a national matter, not a state matter. Carjacking no, espionage yes.  But I do think the drug laws and the prescription laws that are being used in the case of assisted suicide should be at the state level.

But here again you go overboard.  The idea that Ashcroft is spending &quot;considerably large swaths of DOJ time and resources to challenging state drug and assisted-suicide laws&quot; is both unsupported and laughable, as is the further assertion that it&#039;s detracting from the search for al-Qaeda.  The idea that an organization as large as the justice department, and with the responsibility to enforce the national legal code, drop everything but the hunt for al-Qaeda is wrong, wrong, wrong, and flies in the face of the law of diminishing returns.

And yes, the Attorney Generals job is to uphold all the laws of the land -- those he agrees with, and those he doesn&#039;t.  The best way, the only way to get a law declared unconstitutional is to prosecute somebody - courts can&#039;t rule without a case before them.  A senator&#039;s job is to not only craft the legislation, but to worry whether or not the government has the authority to enact it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I find this a moldy oldy that is also completely unpersuasive.</p>
<p>First, you fail to demonstrate that Ashcroft is a federalist in any way.  You don&#8217;t cite a single federalist action or even vote.  In the one interview you quote (just out of curiosity, did you read the whole thing, or just excerpts reported by other media?), he says &#8220;traditionalists&#8221;.  You use &#8220;state&#8217;s rights&#8221; later (in quotes), but provide no context &#8212; did Ashcroft even use those words?.  In fact, you provide a fairly clear picture of what segregation apologists in a general sense say, but are near silent about Ashcroft himself.  If I&#8217;m reading something about Ashcroft, do me the favor of describing him, not some other group of which he may or not be a member (you say he isn&#8217;t a bigot, but do you include him as a segregationist apologist?  If so, you provide no connection other than you talk about them an awful lot). Surely you can do better.  Surely you didn&#8217;t use the <i>Southern Partisan</i> quote just to smear him as a possible bigot.</p>
<p>He may well be a federalist, but based on this article, that would be a leap of faith on the reader&#8217;s part.  And while you provide your own definition, wouldn&#8217;t it have been helpful to provide Ashcroft&#8217;s definition?  You accuse him of being a funky federalist, but provide no evidence that he&#8217;s even a federalist, let alone that his definition of federalism agrees with your own.</p>
<p>Second, you mischaracterize Richard Cohen (or if not Richard, then the Richard mischaracterized the truth): &#8220;Ashcroft has specifically charged U.S. Attorneys to aggressively seek the death penalty for capital federal crimes in areas of the country traditionally opposed to capital punishment. &#8221;  What I could find was that &#8220;<a>In New York and Connecticut, two jurisdictions with an inexplicable reluctance to apply the death penalty &#8212; who can explain the effete East? &#8212; Ashcroft has ordered local prosecutors to seek the death penalty in cases where they had decided not to.</a>&#8221; and that &#8220;<a href="http://www.truthinjustice.org/ashcroft.htm" rel="nofollow">Time magazine tells us that 12 times since assuming office, Ashcroft has overruled local U.S. attorneys and demanded they ask for capital punishment.</a>&#8221;  My understanding is that during the regular review of cases, Ashcroft has directed prosecutors to ask for the death penalty in cases where they hadn&#8217;t planned to &#8212; which isn&#8217;t what you said.</p>
<p>Third, I find that you are incorrect in your application of federalism.  Perhaps your own views are coloring your application of federalism?  But I digress.  To me, federalism in this country means that constitution delineates the authority of the national (U.S., federal) government; the national government has only the authority granted it by the constitution, and no more.  The states or the people retain all other authority; and local governments derive from the respective states.  And where the national government has authority, it supercedes the states.  So when Congress makes a law within its authority, that law takes precedence over state law(s).  You have the crafting of laws correct (they should be pushed down to the lowest possible level), but the precedence backwards (higher level laws take precedence).</p>
<p>So how does this apply to the death penalty?  Shouldn&#8217;t the justice department seek to carry it out uniformly?   Yes.  If there are differences between the states, then that is a matter for local juries, not the justice department.  National policy should be uniform across the states (which is why its at the national level); state policy should vary from state to state.</p>
<p>On the matter of assisted suicide and drug laws, it&#8217;s fine and dandy for a state to make such things legal.  But the voters of Oregon cannot overturn federal law.  That would be a violation of federalism, not upholding it.  If the voters in Oregon don&#8217;t want a state or local penalty for a particular act, then great, but they can&#8217;t change federal law all by themselves.</p>
<p>So on the matter of Ashcroft being a fairweather federalist, you provide no evidence whatsoever that he is a federalist, nor are the actions you cite incompatible with federalism.</p>
<p>Now this raises the point of whether or not these laws should be at a national level. I think most federalists would agree that the national government has usurped a lot of authority of the years it doesn&#8217;t legally possess.  While I think the national government has gone overboard in federalizing crime, the case Cohen cited was that of spying, which IMHO is a national matter, not a state matter. Carjacking no, espionage yes.  But I do think the drug laws and the prescription laws that are being used in the case of assisted suicide should be at the state level.</p>
<p>But here again you go overboard.  The idea that Ashcroft is spending &#8220;considerably large swaths of DOJ time and resources to challenging state drug and assisted-suicide laws&#8221; is both unsupported and laughable, as is the further assertion that it&#8217;s detracting from the search for al-Qaeda.  The idea that an organization as large as the justice department, and with the responsibility to enforce the national legal code, drop everything but the hunt for al-Qaeda is wrong, wrong, wrong, and flies in the face of the law of diminishing returns.</p>
<p>And yes, the Attorney Generals job is to uphold all the laws of the land &#8212; those he agrees with, and those he doesn&#8217;t.  The best way, the only way to get a law declared unconstitutional is to prosecute somebody &#8211; courts can&#8217;t rule without a case before them.  A senator&#8217;s job is to not only craft the legislation, but to worry whether or not the government has the authority to enact it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2003 14:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Care to elaborate, Johnny Reb?</description>
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		<title>By: Modulator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modulator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2003 06:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ashcroft and Federalism&lt;/strong&gt;

Radley Balko points out that for John Ashcroft federalism can have many meanings (kind of a Straussian thing):Why was Senator Ashcroft so sympathetic to the â??statesâ?? rightsâ? cause when it came to issues like the Confederacy and segregation, but when it...</description>
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<p>Radley Balko points out that for John Ashcroft federalism can have many meanings (kind of a Straussian thing):Why was Senator Ashcroft so sympathetic to the â??statesâ?? rightsâ? cause when it came to issues like the Confederacy and segregation, but when it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JOHNNY REB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHNNY REB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 22:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAY TO GO JOHN. WELCOME THE REST OF THE COUNTRY TO RECONSTRUCTION</description>
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		<title>By: John Schulien</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Schulien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Federalism and States Rights as a genuine check on Federal power disappeared in 1913 with the passage of the 17th Amendment.  Prior to 1917, the State Legislatures appointed the Senate, so expansions of Federal Law and authority proposed by the popularly elected House needed to be approved by a body that explicitly represented the interests of the States, as well as a body that directly represented the interests of the People.  

Modern day Federalism is selective because it no longer exists as a part of the checks and balances of our Constitutional structure.  It is now a mere historical relic, brought out for display when it serves a specific purpose or agenda, and quickly put away when it impedes one&#039;s agenda.  This is why there is no consistancy to modern day &quot;Federalism.&quot;

As an example, Congress has passed a lot of laws tying Federal highway funds to the passage of certain state laws, such as speed limit and drunk driving laws.  Under a true Federalist system, as existed prior to the 17th Amendment, the Senate, composed of appointees of State Legislatures, would refuse to pass such a bill.  The modern-day Senate, facing re-election by the exact same electorate as the House, is barely distinguishable from the House.  It is certainly not a State Legislature&#039;s check on the Federal government.

I doubt that we would have the ever-expanding Federal drug laws without the 17th Amendment. As we are seeing in California, the State Legislatures have a genuine and compelling interest in tailoring drug laws to local circumstances, but they are hamstrung by the fact that, lacking their Constitutionally intended role in Congress, their ability to evolve drug laws comes only at the pleasure and whim of the Presidential Administration, which currently has no interest in allowing them to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federalism and States Rights as a genuine check on Federal power disappeared in 1913 with the passage of the 17th Amendment.  Prior to 1917, the State Legislatures appointed the Senate, so expansions of Federal Law and authority proposed by the popularly elected House needed to be approved by a body that explicitly represented the interests of the States, as well as a body that directly represented the interests of the People.  </p>
<p>Modern day Federalism is selective because it no longer exists as a part of the checks and balances of our Constitutional structure.  It is now a mere historical relic, brought out for display when it serves a specific purpose or agenda, and quickly put away when it impedes one&#8217;s agenda.  This is why there is no consistancy to modern day &#8220;Federalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an example, Congress has passed a lot of laws tying Federal highway funds to the passage of certain state laws, such as speed limit and drunk driving laws.  Under a true Federalist system, as existed prior to the 17th Amendment, the Senate, composed of appointees of State Legislatures, would refuse to pass such a bill.  The modern-day Senate, facing re-election by the exact same electorate as the House, is barely distinguishable from the House.  It is certainly not a State Legislature&#8217;s check on the Federal government.</p>
<p>I doubt that we would have the ever-expanding Federal drug laws without the 17th Amendment. As we are seeing in California, the State Legislatures have a genuine and compelling interest in tailoring drug laws to local circumstances, but they are hamstrung by the fact that, lacking their Constitutionally intended role in Congress, their ability to evolve drug laws comes only at the pleasure and whim of the Presidential Administration, which currently has no interest in allowing them to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt, I seriously think you could profitably read up on US history.  In particular, these three periods would be of interest -

- The founding of the country and the related compromises made between the (almost) free and slave states.

- Pre and post Civil War

- 1955 - 1970 or so

Then you&#039;d be very aware how federalism could be linked with racism, and why the Constitution was not sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt, I seriously think you could profitably read up on US history.  In particular, these three periods would be of interest -</p>
<p>- The founding of the country and the related compromises made between the (almost) free and slave states.</p>
<p>- Pre and post Civil War</p>
<p>- 1955 &#8211; 1970 or so</p>
<p>Then you&#8217;d be very aware how federalism could be linked with racism, and why the Constitution was not sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Scharlack's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Scharlack's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ashcroft and Federalism&lt;/strong&gt;

Radley has posted a column that was rejected at Fox News about Ashcroft. Why was Senator Ashcroft so sympathetic to the ?states? rights? cause when it came to issues like the Confederacy and segregation, but when it comes whether or...</description>
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<p>Radley has posted a column that was rejected at Fox News about Ashcroft. Why was Senator Ashcroft so sympathetic to the ?states? rights? cause when it came to issues like the Confederacy and segregation, but when it comes whether or&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>w h hall,
That may be true, but other AG&#039;s don&#039;t go around claiming to be Federalists</description>
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That may be true, but other AG&#8217;s don&#8217;t go around claiming to be Federalists</p>
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		<title>By: w h hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>w h hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 16:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, But it could have been written about any AG with emphasis on their personal projects.  That alone somewhat deflates it&#039;s value.  I for one remember RFK and his game federalizing local crimes which crossed state lines.  Oh well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, But it could have been written about any AG with emphasis on their personal projects.  That alone somewhat deflates it&#8217;s value.  I for one remember RFK and his game federalizing local crimes which crossed state lines.  Oh well!</p>
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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What He Said&lt;/strong&gt;

At the risk of sounding like Radley Balko&#039;s ideological man-bitch, I&#039;ll point you to his lost column today. Pay close attention to his justification for federalism and localized government, about a third of the way through. And then nod sagely...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What He Said</strong></p>
<p>At the risk of sounding like Radley Balko&#8217;s ideological man-bitch, I&#8217;ll point you to his lost column today. Pay close attention to his justification for federalism and localized government, about a third of the way through. And then nod sagely&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Amerman</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/05/27/agitator-premium/comment-page-1/#comment-22769</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Amerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt Erikson, for the most part the Constitution is a consistent,
logical piece of thinking, but there is this one area where it
shows exceptionally clear signs of compromise. That being of
course slavery. On this subject the document seems to, more
or less, war with itself, which given the political division
of the time on the issue is perhaps to be expected. 

On the one hand we have a constitution that is an extraordinary
assertion of the rights of individuals and of limitation of
power of the state. By any sensible logic all this rhetoric and
internally consistent logic would seem to apply to all people, but
slaves are more or less explicitly and legalistically denied
that human status, with no attempt being made to justify the
exception.

In my opinion the Constitution was an assault on slavery -- and an
effective assault at that -- but it&#039;s an assault that&#039;s complicated
enough that people have to think about it to get it and if they
don&#039;t think about it, but are &#039;surrounded&#039; by it, they absorb the
spirit of the document which means they absorb a logic implying
slavery is evil -- which was of course a revolutionary message
in a world where slavery was the norm most places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt Erikson, for the most part the Constitution is a consistent,<br />
logical piece of thinking, but there is this one area where it<br />
shows exceptionally clear signs of compromise. That being of<br />
course slavery. On this subject the document seems to, more<br />
or less, war with itself, which given the political division<br />
of the time on the issue is perhaps to be expected. </p>
<p>On the one hand we have a constitution that is an extraordinary<br />
assertion of the rights of individuals and of limitation of<br />
power of the state. By any sensible logic all this rhetoric and<br />
internally consistent logic would seem to apply to all people, but<br />
slaves are more or less explicitly and legalistically denied<br />
that human status, with no attempt being made to justify the<br />
exception.</p>
<p>In my opinion the Constitution was an assault on slavery &#8212; and an<br />
effective assault at that &#8212; but it&#8217;s an assault that&#8217;s complicated<br />
enough that people have to think about it to get it and if they<br />
don&#8217;t think about it, but are &#8216;surrounded&#8217; by it, they absorb the<br />
spirit of the document which means they absorb a logic implying<br />
slavery is evil &#8212; which was of course a revolutionary message<br />
in a world where slavery was the norm most places.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/05/27/agitator-premium/comment-page-1/#comment-22768</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 15:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>once again a great article Radley

I&#039;ve got one (probably stupid) question.

Several times I&#039;ve heard about how the jury didn&#039;t know Mr. Rosenthal was growing for the city of Oakland, why didn&#039;t defense attorneys bring that up?  Would the judge not allow them to?

thanks in advance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again a great article Radley</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got one (probably stupid) question.</p>
<p>Several times I&#8217;ve heard about how the jury didn&#8217;t know Mr. Rosenthal was growing for the city of Oakland, why didn&#8217;t defense attorneys bring that up?  Would the judge not allow them to?</p>
<p>thanks in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Brian J.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/05/27/agitator-premium/comment-page-1/#comment-22767</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 15:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noted the confluence of these two forces on my &lt;a href=&quot;http://stlbrianj.blogspot.com/archives/2003_04_20_archive.html#93267121&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;.  Selective Federalism and Discretionary Prosecution.

It&#039;s not just John Ashcroft; it&#039;s also driven by legislators who Must Do Something (since law enforcement falls outside of their job duties, that Something must include passing quick, poorly written new laws) and prosecutors hungry for &quot;performance metrics&quot; (convictions) who have growing discretion in the number of crimes and venues in which to try a single criminal offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noted the confluence of these two forces on my <a href="http://stlbrianj.blogspot.com/archives/2003_04_20_archive.html#93267121" rel="nofollow">blog</a>.  Selective Federalism and Discretionary Prosecution.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just John Ashcroft; it&#8217;s also driven by legislators who Must Do Something (since law enforcement falls outside of their job duties, that Something must include passing quick, poorly written new laws) and prosecutors hungry for &#8220;performance metrics&#8221; (convictions) who have growing discretion in the number of crimes and venues in which to try a single criminal offense.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh2d2</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/05/27/agitator-premium/comment-page-1/#comment-22766</link>
		<dc:creator>hugh2d2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 15:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley, it&#039;s pieces like this that keep me coming back to your site. Great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, it&#8217;s pieces like this that keep me coming back to your site. Great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Erickson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/05/27/agitator-premium/comment-page-1/#comment-22765</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 14:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t ever heard of the racist angle to federalism. Is federalism widely associated with racism? Being a federalist myself I certainly hope not. Also, I think the racist federalist argument is pretty bogus. One of the basic tenents of the constitution is equal liberty for all, so when one group is treated as less than lawfully equal, it&#039;s a constitutional failure that must be fixed at the constitutional and federal level, not the state level. Although truthfully I don&#039;t understand why a constitutional amendment was nessary, seems to me that they could have simply started prosecuting violations. I might be wrong, but didn&#039;t the constituion offer legal protection for blacks before it was amended? So why was the amendment needed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t ever heard of the racist angle to federalism. Is federalism widely associated with racism? Being a federalist myself I certainly hope not. Also, I think the racist federalist argument is pretty bogus. One of the basic tenents of the constitution is equal liberty for all, so when one group is treated as less than lawfully equal, it&#8217;s a constitutional failure that must be fixed at the constitutional and federal level, not the state level. Although truthfully I don&#8217;t understand why a constitutional amendment was nessary, seems to me that they could have simply started prosecuting violations. I might be wrong, but didn&#8217;t the constituion offer legal protection for blacks before it was amended? So why was the amendment needed?</p>
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