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By: Jen

Jen — Fri, 09 May 2003 16:35:44 +0000

Nice job – I’m usually too busy foaming at the mouth at the illogic to take guys like Kurtz on point by point.

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By: MC

MC — Tue, 06 May 2003 18:47:30 +0000

More amusingly, isn’t the *lack* of legal marriage for gay people even more threatening to the institution of marriage? A reasonable person might look at gay relationships and say: If there are all these people who can have loving, committed relationships without the institution of marriage, why do we need marriage at all?

By: John T. Kennedy

John T. Kennedy — Fri, 02 May 2003 22:40:39 +0000

“But Kurtz is wrong when he says that the family has been undermined by the absence of a state-imposed “ethos” or “moral concensus.” The family, for the most part, has been undermined by too much state engineering — most notably by the way the welfare system has incentivized illegitimacy and fatherless families. ”

More fundamenatally, it doesn’t matter if individual choices undermine collective values, the collective doesn’t have any rights over the individual.

By: Craig

Craig — Thu, 01 May 2003 19:39:11 +0000

bunnie foo foo,
The vast majority of people all over this world avoid incestuos relationships…that “unbelievably high” number of people engaged in incestuos relationships is actually a very small percentage of the population. kinda like when you hear that Bush wants to give a $5 Billion Dollar tax cut (for example)…sounds like a huge number, but when you compare that to the US GDP of over $9 trillion, its only about .0005% (don’t quote my math)…basically its all relative.

By: Bunnie Foo Foo

Bunnie Foo Foo — Thu, 01 May 2003 18:17:11 +0000

Am curious if you guys really believe that incest avoidance is in our genes. That’s laughable — at least to the unbelievably high number of people engaged (through force or not) in incestuous relationships.

Laws against private, consensual sexual acts are wrong because they limit personal freedom by taking the government where it has no right to go.

But I fear that libertarians aren’t doing a very good job of answering the “moral libertarian question” that Kurtz writes about.

By: Leonard

Leonard — Thu, 01 May 2003 15:39:47 +0000

Nice work Radley.

I want to second what Eno just said. Incest-avoidance is in our genes, at least for certain kinds of incest; there’s proof of that out there in the world. In particular there was a study made of a set of children raised communally in a kibbutz, where, even though they were not genetically related, none of them married each other when they grew up.

‘Course that is no good against Stanley’s vile urges related to his nieces. Only “we” can stop that! “We’ve” got to help him!

By: Enobarbus

Enobarbus — Thu, 01 May 2003 13:16:54 +0000

Nice. One thing I noticed is that Kurtz says, “So only by building into adults a psychological mechanism of disgust and horror at incest can society protect children from the psychological harm of abuse by close relatives.” I’m not sure society has anything to do with building taboos, at least in the way Kurtz is thinking. I think the incest taboo, on a societal level, is a direct product of what one might call a Darwinian taboo — a reproductive strategy that disfavors one’s offspring in the survival game. It is not some sort of storm wall put up by society that, if taken away, will allow a flood-tide of incest through. Thus, the incest taboo will remain, since it was naturally selected. Isn’t Kurtz a social scientist of some sort? He should know this stuff cold.

By: sadly anonymous

sadly anonymous — Thu, 01 May 2003 13:12:48 +0000

Part of the problem with all these discussions is that commentators on polyamory today typically work from a position of complete ignorance, much like commentators on homosexuality in an earlier generation. Therefore, what they write about is their own fantasy of polyamory, not the reality.

I know a bunch of polyamorous folks, including couples in “open” marriages who have children. They are, in my experience, no less respectful of their commitments to each other or to their children than anyone else I know. For example, in every polyamorous relationship that I know of, it is a serious, relationship-ending sin to sleep with someone else without telling your existing partners about it, or without following the safe-sex rules that all involved have agreed on in advance.

And I wish I’d put my name on this post, but I won’t… because I’d rather not take the risk of having some of my friends outed by association. Again, the parallels to gay life a generation or two ago are left as an exercise for the reader.

By: Devin

Devin — Thu, 01 May 2003 03:26:53 +0000

Cheap merchandise plug at the end there Radley. You almost ruined a good post with the image of your bullhorn toten’ backwards cap wearinâ?? face right over my wifes…,almost.

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Jeremy Scharlack's Blog — Thu, 01 May 2003 02:15:57 +0000

Conservatives sure look foolish

… when they say things like this. Calpundit, Radley Balko, Matthew Yglesias and Atrios all tell you why from their unique viewpoints. The author, Stanley Kurtz, tries to make the argument that legalizing adult incest (involving no minors) would creat…