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		<title>By: Mick the Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15810</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick the Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny  how we all make  such easy comments  on  all and everything, while  no one  of us WAS  actually THERE when it all happened -  that is  one  of the  powerful  aspects  of fame : NO ONE REALLY  NEVER IS THERE - behind their doors.And why  should we wanna ???It  is THEIR  life and at  best they have  given us  some great times - and THE WHO   D   I  D.

   Unlike Pete Townshend  never tires to  explicitly  state : I KEEP BEING A N  ADMIRER OF THEM, always, and  only  last night saw an old version live  performance of MAGIC BUS: It  is NOT arrogance when he somewhere stated: &quot; I was sitting around  listening to  some  of  our  stuff  of the  60ies and wondered at  how we were SO MUCH BETTER than anyone else  at that time !&quot; BANG!
 I CAN ONLY AGREE - MORE THAN EVER.
  Fuck his  private life ! Who cares !The mUSIC matters and  keeps  me a reelin and a  rockin -  forever !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny  how we all make  such easy comments  on  all and everything, while  no one  of us WAS  actually THERE when it all happened &#8211;  that is  one  of the  powerful  aspects  of fame : NO ONE REALLY  NEVER IS THERE &#8211; behind their doors.And why  should we wanna ???It  is THEIR  life and at  best they have  given us  some great times &#8211; and THE WHO   D   I  D.</p>
<p>   Unlike Pete Townshend  never tires to  explicitly  state : I KEEP BEING A N  ADMIRER OF THEM, always, and  only  last night saw an old version live  performance of MAGIC BUS: It  is NOT arrogance when he somewhere stated: &#8221; I was sitting around  listening to  some  of  our  stuff  of the  60ies and wondered at  how we were SO MUCH BETTER than anyone else  at that time !&#8221; BANG!<br />
 I CAN ONLY AGREE &#8211; MORE THAN EVER.<br />
  Fuck his  private life ! Who cares !The mUSIC matters and  keeps  me a reelin and a  rockin &#8211;  forever !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15803</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, SpudVol.  We could get rich if he does that.  I&#039;d like to continue this, but Joe Sims has invoked the unwritten Monkey Butler rule.  Therefore, I suggest we take the G. Gordon Liddy approach and agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, SpudVol.  We could get rich if he does that.  I&#8217;d like to continue this, but Joe Sims has invoked the unwritten Monkey Butler rule.  Therefore, I suggest we take the G. Gordon Liddy approach and agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: SpudVol</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15802</link>
		<dc:creator>SpudVol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley

You are paying for these comments by the word, right?</description>
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<p>You are paying for these comments by the word, right?</p>
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		<title>By: SpudVol</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15801</link>
		<dc:creator>SpudVol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every law restricts individual freedom in some way.&quot;

No &#039;just&#039; law restricts freedom in any way. Laws against playing bumper cars on the freeway or booby-trapping your boss&#039;s toothbrush are not restrictions on your freedoms because both acts require the initiation of force against another on your part, therefore these &quot;freedoms&quot; never existed. These laws merely protect the other people on the freeway and your boss from having their freedom infringed upon by you. Just laws don&#039;t restrict, they protect. The purpose of government is to protect each individual&#039;s freedom, not to restrict freedom..

&quot;Yes, I am an American.&quot;

I don&#039;t doubt that you are a citizen of the United States, but I suspect that you are not a subscriber to the American ideal.

&quot;The people that are posting this on the internet arenâ??t just isolated perverts, they prey on children for the specific purpose of recording the abuse to sell. Would you make the same argument for a serial killer that made his living by posting pictures of his victims? How about a rapist? You donâ??t turn the lights on by allowing an active market in an illegal activity. You also donâ??t discourage that activity.&quot;

Again we disagree. The best way I can explain my position is with an analogy...so bear with me.

In 1776 we had a country where &quot;all men are created equal&quot; and we also had legalized slavery. We were a country built on a contradiction. One or the other had to go. In the 1860&#039;s the country split and was almost lost, but through much tragedy and bloodshed, we managed to get rid of the contradiction and save the country. Fast-forward 100 years (you&#039;re welcome), and minority rights are still being oppressed in this country. People were being tortured, raped, mutilated , and &quot;who knows what else&quot;. And pictures were being taken. These pictures were kept as trophies by the people committing these evil acts and used as badges of honor when certain groups (klubs, if you will) would gather. Nothing would get you respect faster than a picture of yourself at a lynching. Pictures are a powerful media. For decades &quot;decent&quot; people had heard the stories of oppression but there was no nation-wide public outrage. Not until they saw the pictures. Photos and videos made the stories real. These were real people being murdered and the smiling faces of the murderers were right there for the whole world to see. The public finally became aware of what was really going on and they were outraged. Public pressure on politicians was immediate and change was swift. The world is a better place.

We&#039;ve all heard stories of the sexual abuse of children. 20% of all children sexual abused. 25%. 30%. Just words and numbers to most people. No outrage. I believe if everyone who has access to the pictures would just take a moment to look at them, just one moment to realize how pervasive this evil has become in our society, just one moment to make it all real, that the public outrage would be immediate and world wide. And change would be swift.

Limiting people&#039;s ability to get real information about real problems only serves those with the power or inclination to abuse. This goes for civil rights, child abuse, politics, and everything else under the sun.

And I&#039;m not a Libertarian, I&#039;m an Objectivist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every law restricts individual freedom in some way.&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8216;just&#8217; law restricts freedom in any way. Laws against playing bumper cars on the freeway or booby-trapping your boss&#8217;s toothbrush are not restrictions on your freedoms because both acts require the initiation of force against another on your part, therefore these &#8220;freedoms&#8221; never existed. These laws merely protect the other people on the freeway and your boss from having their freedom infringed upon by you. Just laws don&#8217;t restrict, they protect. The purpose of government is to protect each individual&#8217;s freedom, not to restrict freedom..</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, I am an American.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that you are a citizen of the United States, but I suspect that you are not a subscriber to the American ideal.</p>
<p>&#8220;The people that are posting this on the internet arenâ??t just isolated perverts, they prey on children for the specific purpose of recording the abuse to sell. Would you make the same argument for a serial killer that made his living by posting pictures of his victims? How about a rapist? You donâ??t turn the lights on by allowing an active market in an illegal activity. You also donâ??t discourage that activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again we disagree. The best way I can explain my position is with an analogy&#8230;so bear with me.</p>
<p>In 1776 we had a country where &#8220;all men are created equal&#8221; and we also had legalized slavery. We were a country built on a contradiction. One or the other had to go. In the 1860&#8242;s the country split and was almost lost, but through much tragedy and bloodshed, we managed to get rid of the contradiction and save the country. Fast-forward 100 years (you&#8217;re welcome), and minority rights are still being oppressed in this country. People were being tortured, raped, mutilated , and &#8220;who knows what else&#8221;. And pictures were being taken. These pictures were kept as trophies by the people committing these evil acts and used as badges of honor when certain groups (klubs, if you will) would gather. Nothing would get you respect faster than a picture of yourself at a lynching. Pictures are a powerful media. For decades &#8220;decent&#8221; people had heard the stories of oppression but there was no nation-wide public outrage. Not until they saw the pictures. Photos and videos made the stories real. These were real people being murdered and the smiling faces of the murderers were right there for the whole world to see. The public finally became aware of what was really going on and they were outraged. Public pressure on politicians was immediate and change was swift. The world is a better place.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all heard stories of the sexual abuse of children. 20% of all children sexual abused. 25%. 30%. Just words and numbers to most people. No outrage. I believe if everyone who has access to the pictures would just take a moment to look at them, just one moment to realize how pervasive this evil has become in our society, just one moment to make it all real, that the public outrage would be immediate and world wide. And change would be swift.</p>
<p>Limiting people&#8217;s ability to get real information about real problems only serves those with the power or inclination to abuse. This goes for civil rights, child abuse, politics, and everything else under the sun.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not a Libertarian, I&#8217;m an Objectivist.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sims</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15800</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Sims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the need to add this before the discussion gets too far along: monkey butlers. Now that they&#039;ve been mentionned, it&#039;s safe to continue with the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the need to add this before the discussion gets too far along: monkey butlers. Now that they&#8217;ve been mentionned, it&#8217;s safe to continue with the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15797</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley, I think and hope that you are misinterpreting the term &quot;download.&quot;  When you click on a website, you aren&#039;t downloading in the classical sense.  Downloading infers an active attempt to place those images on your hard drive in persistent memory.  That&#039;s distribution in any book.

If you are simply talking about viewing a webpage, it is not only difficult, but impossible to infer intent.  No, we shouldn&#039;t lock anyone up for merely surfing the web.  But, downloading is very different from surfing - in both technical terms and intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, I think and hope that you are misinterpreting the term &#8220;download.&#8221;  When you click on a website, you aren&#8217;t downloading in the classical sense.  Downloading infers an active attempt to place those images on your hard drive in persistent memory.  That&#8217;s distribution in any book.</p>
<p>If you are simply talking about viewing a webpage, it is not only difficult, but impossible to infer intent.  No, we shouldn&#8217;t lock anyone up for merely surfing the web.  But, downloading is very different from surfing &#8211; in both technical terms and intent.</p>
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		<title>By: SpudVol</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15793</link>
		<dc:creator>SpudVol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/rant

&quot;bona fide researchers&quot;

Bona fide by whom? The Department of Bona Fidcation? How many years of government education should one need before you are &quot;bona fidable&quot; by the government?? And once you have achieved &quot;boba fide&quot; status by your government, should you be able to access material in a different country or do we need an International Standard of Bona Fidcation?

Bona fide means &quot;in good faith&quot;. Short of reading Townsend&#039;s mind, how can you definitively say that Townsend is not a &quot;bona fide&quot; researcher?

Child abuse, sexual or otherwise, has existed since the beginning of humanity and most likely will endure until humanity&#039;s end. How does restricting public access to information on social ills help eliminate them? If you were abused as a child, should you need the government&#039;s permission to access a chat room in the attempt to gain some insight on why &quot;this&quot; happened to you? What if you were informed that your missing child&#039;s picture was posted on a website, should you need the government&#039;s permission to access that website? What if you have adopted an abused child who won&#039;t talk about what happened, should you need the government&#039;s permission to access information that would give you understanding as to what exactly the child may have gone through?

What ever the problem, restricting freedom is not the solution.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/rant</p>
<p>&#8220;bona fide researchers&#8221;</p>
<p>Bona fide by whom? The Department of Bona Fidcation? How many years of government education should one need before you are &#8220;bona fidable&#8221; by the government?? And once you have achieved &#8220;boba fide&#8221; status by your government, should you be able to access material in a different country or do we need an International Standard of Bona Fidcation?</p>
<p>Bona fide means &#8220;in good faith&#8221;. Short of reading Townsend&#8217;s mind, how can you definitively say that Townsend is not a &#8220;bona fide&#8221; researcher?</p>
<p>Child abuse, sexual or otherwise, has existed since the beginning of humanity and most likely will endure until humanity&#8217;s end. How does restricting public access to information on social ills help eliminate them? If you were abused as a child, should you need the government&#8217;s permission to access a chat room in the attempt to gain some insight on why &#8220;this&#8221; happened to you? What if you were informed that your missing child&#8217;s picture was posted on a website, should you need the government&#8217;s permission to access that website? What if you have adopted an abused child who won&#8217;t talk about what happened, should you need the government&#8217;s permission to access information that would give you understanding as to what exactly the child may have gone through?</p>
<p>What ever the problem, restricting freedom is not the solution.</p>
<p>/end rant</p>
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		<title>By: Evan McElravy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2003/01/14/pete-townshend-and-the-hitler-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-15792</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan McElravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on guys, he&#039;s a nearly stone deaf, drug addled rock star...you&#039;re expecting his grasp on reality and social norms to be rock solid? He may be a fool, but that doesn&#039;t mean he can&#039;t be being sincere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on guys, he&#8217;s a nearly stone deaf, drug addled rock star&#8230;you&#8217;re expecting his grasp on reality and social norms to be rock solid? He may be a fool, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he can&#8217;t be being sincere.</p>
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